International Mexico threaten legal actions against U.S gunmakers if Mexican drug cartels are designated as "terrorist organizations"

[Hog-train]

To be fair , prohibition as in the US government is a big part of the problem and is the reason the cartels are so rich and fierce.

People want to do drugs , have always done drugs and are not going to stop doing drugs .....so let's just let gangsters be in control of the market ....fuckin genius. And even though we know the drug war has done nothing but erode freedoms and cause problems ....the bureaucracy is so powerful and self sustaining that there is no shutting it down.

I mean the Asian countries have managed to keep drugs out of their countries for the most part. Although using very draconian measures.

So it is not impossible (not saying we should do that.)

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

People want to do drugs , have always done drugs and are not going to stop doing drugs

That's not really true.

 

[avenue94]

I mean the Asian countries have managed to keep drugs out of their countries for the most part. Although using very draconian measures.

So it is not impossible (not saying we should do that.)

Drugs aren't hard to find in many of those countries. I wouldn't recommend it, but they still exist no matter how strict their governments are.

 

[Hog-train]

Drugs aren't hard to find in many of those countries. I wouldn't recommend it, but they still exist no matter how strict their governments are.

Of course, but it's very hard to get. Cops in those places can just test your hair for drugs in your system and if you fail the test, you're fucked.

 

[avenue94]

Of course, but it's very hard to get. Cops in those places can just test your hair for drugs in your system and if you fail the test, you're fucked.

Depends on which. Hence most of these places look away at foreigners doing drugs.

Like...Bali exists.

 

[ermac88]

I mean the Asian countries have managed to keep drugs out of their countries for the most part. Although using very draconian measures.

So it is not impossible (not saying we should do that.)

Ehh not sure where you getting that from or how thats even a reality when our opiod crisis had NOTHING to do with imports

China siezed 26 tons of drugs within the country, last year

China Drug Situation Report 2023_Embassy of the People's Republic of China in the United States of America

The biggest difference is they have extensive programs to treat addiction /cause and have been using them since their opiod crisis in the 50s

We tend to want blame others for our own problems and not seriously address them or implement pointless scapegoats. ie tarriffs

 

[AbominableJoman]

This is the same high iq country that entertained dolls be presented as proof of aliens. Lmfao

 

[Sunnyvale TP]

Citations? LOL

Ha, man that was about 15 years ago. I just did a quick Google and there are lots of op eds online and a few PDFs. I'd have to do some digging to find anything good now. Lots of stuff looks to be sanitized to make it look less bad.

If I had my paper still I could find which citations I used. But I don't have it anymore.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

State Department set to designate Latin American cartels, gangs as terrorist organizations​

Trump has promised an all out attack on the drug trade.

By DANNY NGUYEN
02/19/2025 03:16 PM EST

The U.S. State Department is moving to designate Tren de Aragua, Sinaloa Cartel and six other Latin American drug cartels and gangs as foreign terrorist organizations, according to an unpublished notice in the Federal Register posted Wednesday.

The notice, which was issued by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and set to be officially published Thursday, suggests these groups have threatened the country’s defense, international relations or economic interests.

Many of these cartels — including Tren de Aragua and Sinaloa — have been engines for transnational drug trade that inundated some swaths of the country with illicit fentanyl, cocaine and other drugs. Some of these groups, like the Cartel del Golfo, have also been responsible for migrant smuggling, which the Trump administration has aimed to clamp down on.




This designation allows the U.S. to impose financial sanctions on these groups and people connected to them, and cooperate with allies to cull cartels. It also allows the U.S. to declare members of these groups as “inadmissible” to the country and ineligible for immigration benefits.

It’s not immediately clear how far these sanctions might go — or who they may target. The State Department did not respond to a request for comment.

The move follows President Donald Trump’s latest efforts to crack down on cartels. On Jan. 20, Trump signed an executive order that established a pipeline for cartels and other international groups that “constitute[d] a national security threat beyond that posed by traditional organized crime” to be labeled as global terrorists.

These moves could expose countries like El Salvador — which the U.S. aims to collaborate with on countermigration, but have also been accused of having dealings with gangs — to terror charges and restrict their cooperation with the U.S.

The Trump administration has looked to target cartels since his first term, though he held off on those plans at the request of then-Mexican president Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who said he wanted collaboration with the U.S. to combat drug gangs.


“All necessary work has been completed to declare Mexican Cartels terrorist organizations,” Trump wrote on Twitter in 2019, now rebranded as X. “However, at the request of a man who I like and respect, and has worked so well with us, President Andres Manuel @lopezobrador we will temporarily hold off this designation and step up our joint efforts to deal decisively with these vicious and ever-growing organizations!”

A reenergized Trump administration has looked to swiftly renew those efforts in his first month. Trump has said one of his priorities is securing the U.S.-Mexico border and rooting out the cartels which have collected billions of dollars through illegal immigration and drug trafficking.

“They are the most powerful force on the ground,” Rubio said on a podcast with Megyn Kelly last month, “and they are plowing into the United States.”

Earlier this month, Trump threatened to impose steep tariffs on Mexico and Canada, two of the country’s largest trade partners, citing the international drug trade. Foes of the tariffs — and even Trump himself — suggested the tariffs were not actually about drugs but about the balance of global trade.

Trump temporarily suspended these hikes after Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau vowed to bolster border and crime enforcement.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/19/latin-american-cartels-terrorist-organizations-020847

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Mexico threatens to escalate US gunmakers lawsuit with terror charges​

Agence France-Press in Mexico City | Fri 14 Feb 2025

Mexico’s president has warned US gunmakers they could face fresh legal action as accomplices of organized crime if Washington designates the country’s cartels as terrorist groups.

The Latin American country, which is under mounting pressure from Donald Trump to curb illegal drug smuggling, wants its neighbor to crack down on firearms trafficking in the other direction.

“If they declare these criminal groups as terrorists, then we’ll have to expand our US lawsuit,” Mexico’s president, Claudia Sheinbaum, said at a daily press conference.

A new charge could include alleged complicity of gunmakers with terror groups, she said.

“The lawyers are looking at it, but they could be accomplices,” Sheinbaum warned.

She said the US justice department itself has recognized that “74% of the weapons” used by criminal groups in Mexico come from north of the border.

On Thursday, the New York Times reported that the US state department plans to classify criminal groups from Mexico, Colombia, El Salvador and Venezuela as “terrorist organizations”.

They include Mexico’s two main drug-trafficking organizations, the Jalisco New Generation and Sinaloa cartels, the report said.

Trump signed an executive order on 20 January creating a process for such a designation, saying that the cartels “constitute a national security threat beyond that posed by traditional organized crime”.

Mexico says that between 200,000 and 750,000 weapons manufactured by US gunmakers are smuggled across the border from the United States every year, many of which are found at crime scenes.

Last August, a US judge dismissed a $10bn lawsuit brought by the Mexican government against six gun manufacturers based in the United States that sought to hold them responsible for deaths from guns trafficked into Mexico.

The suit was thrown out based on a lack of jurisdiction, though Mexico said at the time that its lawsuit against two manufacturers, Smith and Wesson and Interstate Arms, would continue.

Another suit brought in the border state of Arizona seeks sanctions against dealers that sold guns used in serious crimes over the border.

Mexico tightly controls firearm sales, making them practically impossible to obtain legally.

Even so, drug-related violence led to the deaths of about 480,000 people in Mexico since the government deployed the army to combat trafficking in 2006, according to official figures.

Earlier this month, Sheinbaum angrily rejected an accusation by the United States that her government was allied with drug cartels.

“We categorically reject the slander made by the White House against the Mexican government about alliances with criminal organizations,” the president wrote on social platform X at the time.

“If there is such an alliance anywhere, it is in the US gun shops that sell high-powered weapons to these criminal groups,” she added.

Mexico threatens to escalate US gunmakers lawsuit with terror charges

Claudia Scheinbaum warns of reciprocal action if Washington designates country’s cartels as terrorist groups

www.theguardian.com

Why is Mrs. Scheissbaum siding with these cartels? Is Mexico an official narco state now?

 

[avenue94]

That's a huge stretch to consider them terror groups under current US law. Not all violence and criminality is terrorism, just like not all killing is genocide.

 

[evergreenrider]

Both things are true. The Mexican cartels can legit be classified as a terroristic threat.

AND the gunmakers are complicit in them getting weapons. The vast majority of the cartel's weapons come from the US.

You might be surprised how many European gun manufacturers contribute to cartel arsenals.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Operation Fast and Furious

Producer: Obama
Director: Eric Holder

thousands of semi and full auto weapons provided to cartels for political reasons.
no one talks about it.
why?

 

[avenue94]

Operation Fast and Furious

Producer: Obama
Director: Eric Holder

thousands of semi and full auto weapons provided to cartels for political reasons.
no one talks about it.
why?

Were you in a coma at the time of the scandal and don't realize how much it was talked about?

 

[MacGregor]

 

[Rational Poster]

Operation Fast and Furious

Producer: Obama
Director: Eric Holder

thousands of semi and full auto weapons provided to cartels for political reasons.
no one talks about it.
why?

It was actually a program started under the Bush admin.

And the number of guns involved were a fraction of a fraction of the total number of guns the cartels smuggle from the US annually.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

That's a huge stretch to consider them terror groups under current US law. Not all violence and criminality is terrorism, just like not all killing is genocide.

They terrorize their communities, literally hanging dismembered bodies of their victims from overpasses to intimidate the locals.

Much like islamic terrorist groups, they films themselves torturing and killing people and post the videos online again to spread terror.

 

[Rod1]

That's a huge stretch to consider them terror groups under current US law. Not all violence and criminality is terrorism, just like not all killing is genocide.

Buddy they just cut off the head of a mayor who won the elections against a cartel picked candidate, then they put the head on the top of a pickup truck for everyone to see.

That's terrorism101.

 

[cincymma79]

Were you in a coma at the time of the scandal and don't realize how much it was talked about?

Who went to jail?

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Were you in a coma at the time of the scandal and don't realize how much it was talked about?

No one talks about it NOW, as a contributing factor to the mass arming of cartels who pose a legitimate threat to civil society.