Mexican troops fire tear gas at migrants

[trac209]

It’s got to be. You don’t see that level of TDS outside of the this is it version x threads

He got called on his shit in this thread and mods got rid of most of it and he hasn’t returned.

 

[Rod1]

No one cares if a mexican person comes here. We care if they sneak in, leech from us, commit crimes etc etc etc. Why do people have to play dumb, like they don't get this?

Its funny how you keep saying they come to leech and commit crimes when the vast majority are employed, if they go to America is to work and they do so because there are jobs waiting for them.

 

[Mcountry]

Mexico is already brown....
it’s like you didn’t follow the story at all and just spouting some stupid shit because you saw trumps face And it short circuited you
Now say I am a trumpster as it’s all you’ve got or some other ad hominem

Zebby is a fucking cartoon at this point.

A brown cartoon.

 

[Seano]

Its funny how you keep saying they come to leech and commit crimes when the vast majority are employed, if they go to America is to work and they do so because there are jobs waiting for them.

Glad you mentioned that, I was about to respond to your other post but this one is easier.

Do you believe the exploitation of uneducated people with no options is a good or a bad thing? (and we're talking illegals here not "immigrants".)

 

[Mcountry]

Man this thread delivered!

 

[MMAGA]

Trumps been doing really well on the border issue. He finally got Mexico to do their part. By using the threat of tariffs. God Bless the sanity of such a maneuver.

and bc of this wages have gone up. I’m very pleased. Finish that wall. Send the illegals home.

Are you bipolar? Serious question, btw...

You were pooping all over Trump just last week, now you're praising him. What gives?

 

[Rod1]

Do you believe the exploitation of uneducated people with no options is a good or a bad thing? (and we're talking illegals here not "immigrants".)

Do you believe that getting paid to work is exploitation? didnt realized you were a communist.

 

[Seano]

Do you believe that getting paid to work is exploitation? didnt realized you were a communist.

Sometimes. Depends on geography, compensation etc.

This is the old "Murkans won't do those jerbs" argument again. Why is it ok to pay an illegal less than you'd pay a citizen? Why are we OK with the circular cycle of exploiting illegals to keep wages down? Its weird to act virtuous about exploiting people to screw the people who already live here.

 

[Rod1]

Sometimes. Depends on geography, compensation etc.

How does it depends on geography and compensation? work is work, you do it or you dont. Exploitation by nature requires the use of violence and threats.

This is the old "Murkans won't do those jerbs" argument again.

Nope.

Why is it ok to pay an illegal less than you'd pay a citizen?

Why is it ok to pay you more when someone is willing to do it for less? thats the essence of capitalism, you dont like it?

cycle of exploiting illegals to keep wages down?

You call it keeping wages down, i call it keeping prices low.

Its weird to act virtuous about exploiting people to screw the people who already live here.

You sound like an entitled liberal, nobody owes you a good paying job and someone doing what you do for less isnt "robbing you". Also im pretty sure the employer is also a citizen and he benefits from it.

 

[Seano]

How does it depends on geography and compensation? work is work, you do it or you dont. Exploitation by nature requires the use of violence and threats.

Because a living wage in California is different than in say, Maine or Vermont.

Nope.

Yep. Otherwise there is even less justification.

Why is it ok to pay you more when someone is willing to do it for less? thats the essence of capitalism, you dont like it?

With that mentality, minimum wage would still be 4.15 per hour.

You call it keeping wages down, i call it keeping prices low.

Of course. You're not the one getting fucked by it.

You sound like an entitled liberal, nobody owes you a good paying job and someone doing what you do for less isnt "robbing you". Also im pretty sure the employer is also a citizen and he benefits from it.

But we owe them to thieves who jump our border? When you pay someone who lives here illegally under the radar less that you'd have to pay me, then you are indeed robbing me.

 

[Ghillie Guerrilla]

Good.

 

[Happy Man]

Are you bipolar? Serious question, btw...

You were pooping all over Trump just last week, now you're praising him. What gives?

I was shitting on trump for being a warmongering idiot. If we were at war against Iran right now, I’m protesting in the streets.

I’m still pissed. I admired soleimani. He protected his people and the Christians and all minorities of the Middle East.

 

[Rod1]

Because a living wage in California is different than in say, Maine or Vermont.

If they arent getting paid "living wages" they wouldnt be coming dont you think?

Yep. Otherwise there is even less justification.

Why? where on the Constitution does it says that everyone is entitled to a job? jobs arent finite resources.

With that mentality, minimum wage would still be 4.15 per hour.

Switzerland doesnt has minimum wage yet is the country with the highest wages out there.

Of course. You're not the one getting fucked by it.

And so you want to fuck employers that have to deal with entitled people who think a particular job is beneath them?

But we owe them to thieves who jump our border? When you pay someone who lives here illegally under the radar less that you'd have to pay me, then you are indeed robbing me.

No, the employer should decide who gets hired, jobs arent for the government to dispense "fairly".

And if they are being hired under the radar is because you are using government to make it difficult for the employer to hire legally.

 

[Seano]

If they arent getting paid "living wages" they wouldnt be coming dont you think?

Compared to Mexico?

Why? where on the Constitution does it says that everyone is entitled to a job? jobs arent finite resources.

Well guess who I'm going to say is the least entitled to American jobs.

Switzerland doesnt has minimum wage yet is the country with the highest wages out there.

I don't care about Europe.

And so you want to fuck employers that have to deal with entitled people who think a particular job is beneath them?

Sort of, yes. I believe its time to crack down on people who employ illegal immigrants.

No, the employer should decide who gets hired, jobs arent for the government to dispense "fairly".

Agree, as long as they actually belong in this country or have the proper paperwork to work here.

And if they are being hired under the radar is because you are using government to make it difficult for the employer to hire legally.

Yes, its my fault people sneak into the country and take jobs, driving wages down and absorbing my tax dollars.

 

[Bald1]

Compared to Mexico?

This is a pro union argument and one I can get behind. There should be a minimum standard of pay and one that increases with inflation, not according to profit motives, or an attempt to take advantage of desperation.

 

[Seano]

This is a pro union argument and one I can get behind. There should be a minimum standard of pay and one that increases with inflation, not according to profit motives, or an attempt to take advantage of desperation.

Nice idea in theory but what about cost of living and how it varies from state to state, dramatically in many cases?

 

[Bald1]

Nice idea in theory but what about cost of living and how it varies from state to state, dramatically in many cases?

That's kind of irrelevant to my point.

I'm saying migrants' willingness to work for substandard wages drive down fair market value of labour. That fair market value varies from place to place, but undercutting locals is a constant.

I don't blame them for trying to improve their lives, but do for being cut throat competition due to having lower overhead and not being invested in the system. Same goes for businesses willing to employ them. I used to manage a local shop where the owner employed people on work visas because he could pay them 65% of what I made while charging them out at standard rates. Dirty pool if you ask me.

 

[Rod1]

Compared to Mexico?

So geography is irrelevant now?

Well guess who I'm going to say is the least entitled to American jobs.

Nobody is entitled to any job but the employer.

I don't care about Europe.

It was an example.

Sort of, yes. I believe its time to crack down on people who employ illegal immigrants.

Far easier than trying to build a wall, but solve the issue and you lose a talking point.

Agree, as long as they actually belong in this country or have the proper paperwork to work here.

Its almost as if a reform was needed.

Yes, its my fault people sneak into the country and take jobs, driving wages down and absorbing my tax dollars.

No, its not your fault. Its government fault that an employer cant hire legally.

 

[Rod1]

I don't blame them for trying to improve their lives, but do for being cut throat competition due to having lower overhead and not being invested in the system. Same goes for businesses willing to employ them. I used to manage a local shop where the owner employed people on work visas because he could pay them 65% of what I made while charging them out at standard rates. Dirty pool if you ask me.

Everyone is a socialist when it comes to earning money but a capitalist when it comes to spending it.

People vote with their wallets in the end.

 

[Bald1]

Everyone is a socialist when it comes to earning money but a capitalist when it comes to spending it.

People vote with their wallets in the end.

That depends on which rung of the ladder you're standing on that could be reversed.

The primary issue of the voter is usually the deciding factor, but generally yes.