Meltzer: UFC 190 DTV numbers were huge & PPV # could do over 800k when final

[LouisBolanos]

I heard what Meltzer said & he never said that.
I reported IN THIS THREAD, what he said, It was the same audio
People are calling Thomas out on Twitter.
He seems to have misinterpreted a bad report on it
Meltzer never said that lol

Underlining it doesn't make it more true. Luke Thomas knows Dave Meltzer, and I'll take his word over some random forum poster any day. Guy has a holier than thou attitude, but he doesn't make up shit. Either way it doesn't matter. This kind of buyrate outside NA on a fight night level card is unprecedented.

Rousey also hit a whole new level of popularity after the event. If all else is the same, she would crush Conor's numbers on her next showing, not because she is a bigger draw in the MMA community, but because she has 20x more casual feminist support. She doesn't even need a multi-million dollar ad campaign as the word of mouth does that already. A subpar female athlete who crushes cans is the top draw in the UFC. Take a deep breath and deal with that reality.

 

[UL]

why do people keep saying this?

There were 6 fighters who have main evented ppvs on the main card. Find me a fight night card like that.

Card was pretty decent

Take out the tuf fights who no one knew and it's still a solid card

Bigfoot Soa
Big Nog Struve
Shogun Nog
Ronda

There's been a lot worse

 

[DGT4NOW]

Underlining it doesn't make it more true. Luke Thomas knows Dave Meltzer, and I'll take his word over some random forum poster any day.

OK, but that was not what Meltzer said
Even another poster in here posted a website that goes against what Thomas said
But believe what you want lol

 

[LouisBolanos]

why do people keep saying this?

There were 6 fighters who have main evented ppvs on the main card. Find me a fight night card like that.

People like you have short term memories, or maybe you're just a new fan. Go back in time and you'll find plenty of high level FN cards. Let me give you an example of a fight night card that absolutely crushes 190.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Silva_vs._Irvin

Anderson, Vera, Edgar, Cain, Rumble, CB, Hermes Franca (fresh off of a LW title against Sherk).

Just because 189 happened recently doesn't mean UFC cards today aren't generally watered down shit compared to the past.

 

[FrankieNYC]

Luke Thomas is full of shit opinions, but he doesn't make shit up like this. Rousey just did a million PPV buys from Brazil on a fight night caliber card with a 20:1 squash match. The last time a PPV event outside of NA did remotely close to this was...never. Put Rousey vs. soccer mom #314 on a UFC 189 quality card and she would crush Conor's numbers. That's the power of the casuals. Take a deep breath and deal with that reality.

I subscribe to WrestlingObserver audio and Dave never said it did that number.
He said something like "it could beat every mania in North America, except forr the one that did 970,000 buys"

 

[phatron]

People like you have short term memories, or maybe you're just a new fan. Go back in time and you'll find plenty of high level FN cards. Let me give you an example of a fight night card that absolutely crushes 190.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Silva_vs._Irvin

Anderson, Vera, Edgar, Cain, Rumble, CB, Hermes Franca (fresh off of a LW title against Sherk).

Just because 189 happened recently doesn't mean UFC cards today aren't generally watered down shit compared to the past.

if there are so many how come you had to go back 7 years?

And hindsight is blurry because you think of franky the way you do now. He wasn't well known back then. And rumble was 2-2 in the ufc after that fight. That was CB's second fight in the ufc. And cains second fight.

A name now, doesn't mean they were a name back then.

This card had 5-6 world champs on the main card. Your card had 1.

 

[DGT4NOW]

I subscribe to WrestlingObserver audio and Dave never said it did that number.
He said something like "it could beat every mania in North America, except forr the one that did 970,000 buys"

& this reply

Patrick ‏@PatrickWNYNJ 57m57 minutes ago

@SBNLukeThomas @GrabakaHitman @MMAdamMartin ,He never said that. He said 800k (N.A.) & that beats all manias but the 970k one

 

[SocraticMethod]

Card was pretty decent

Take out the tuf fights who no one knew and it's still a solid card

Bigfoot Soa
Big Nog Struve
Shogun Nog
Ronda

There's been a lot worse

"Pretty decent" is pushing it a bit imo, but you are 100% right that there have been a lot worse. The undercard for Ronda vs. Cat was much worse, just for one recent example (although I found Cat a much more interesting challenger than Bethe going in).

 

[MaveDeltzer]

So many people talking about Rousey vs. Bethe the next day. She's a star.

She has been the #1 trending topic on Facebook since Friday. I can't remember ever seeing another fighter stay in that spot pass early Sunday.

So blonde haired, blue eyed bad asses = big money. Noted

Duh

Even had GSP shave his hair so no one would know it was brown.

it was pretty obvious she is a massive draw when she headlined one of the worst cards in staples center and still did over 600k ppv buys. also the machida/weidman card doing so well, its looking like ronda had a big impact on those numbers.

Probably still people who think Anderson/Weidman 2 would have been close to a million without Ronda/Tate 2.

 

[LouisBolanos]

if there are so many how come you had to go back 7 years?

And hindsight is blurry because you think of franky the way you do now. He wasn't well known back then. And rumble was 2-2 in the ufc after that fight. That was CB's second fight in the ufc. And cains second fight.

A name now, doesn't mean they were a name back then.

This card had 5-6 world champs on the main card. Your card had 1.

I didn't go back 7 years. I simply remembered this card off the top of my head and wikied the link, dummy.

A name back then, doesn't mean a name now. Way to apply your double standard.

5-6 world champs? Pretty much everyone I named was either a world champion, or fought for a world championship. Talk about spewing utter nonsense.

 

[Cage917r]

Oh where are all the Rousey haters now. BTW, anyone saying Meltzer isn't always right, look at mmajunkies web traffic and how it has blown every other UFC card out of the water. She's THE star, embrace it.

 

[DGT4NOW]

Underlining it doesn't make it more true. Luke Thomas knows Dave Meltzer, and I'll take his word over some random forum poster any day.

Meltzer talked about it again on his audio overnight & brought up how he said things clearly & people still misinterpreted his numbers.
I then went & listened again to his Monday/Tuesday audio & he never said what Luke said he did.

So, I & others in this thread heard one thing & Luke is the ONLY (I underlined that for you) person in over 48 hrs to hear & report the other thing (several reports disagreed)

Now because of Luke's bad info, people are saying that Meltzer said it did over 1 million lol

 

[Malthian]

Now because of Luke's bad info, people are saying that Meltzer said it did over 1 million lol

It's possible that people are confusing Meltzer with Jeremy Botter.

Botter recently said on a MMA Junkie podcast that his cable TV sources are telling him that UFC 190 was much bigger than UFC 189 and definitely went over 1M buys. He also said it may have gone substantially over 1M buys.

Starting at 33 mins...

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/08/stream...-radio-2014-with-andrew-sanchez-jeremy-botter

So at least one journalist is saying 1M+ buys aside from Meltzer and Co.

 

[sir loin]

Oh where are all the Rousey haters now.

being mad somewhere

trying to figure out who is buying all these ppvs inventing ufc conspiracies

cause you know what kind of a freak wants to watch women fight they should all be in the kitchen or porno, right haha

 

[DGT4NOW]

It's possible that people are confusing Meltzer with Jeremy Botter.

Botter recently said on a MMA Junkie podcast that his cable TV sources are telling him that UFC 190 was much bigger than UFC 189 and definitely went over 1M buys. He also said it may have gone substantially over 1M buys.

Starting at 33 mins...

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/08/stream...-radio-2014-with-andrew-sanchez-jeremy-botter

So at least one journalist is saying 1M+ buys aside from Meltzer and Co.

Possibly
What I saw was Thomas saying Meltzer said over 970k & then people were saying in the same thread that it was great that it did 1m.
I don't know Botter enough to know how tuned in he is.
I can't listen to audio now, but thanks for the link (I will later)
Meltzer said it certainly can go that high, but its so early & all he could say from DTV numbers & early cable reports is that is broke 800k & could beat the 970k mania

 

[sir loin]

ttt

 

[phatron]

I didn't go back 7 years. I simply remembered this card off the top of my head and wikied the link, dummy.

A name back then, doesn't mean a name now. Way to apply your double standard.

5-6 world champs? Pretty much everyone I named was either a world champion, or fought for a world championship. Talk about spewing utter nonsense.

Man, you can't look back at a card someone was on before they won a championship and say "hey look how great this card was, it had fighters on it that won belts 5 years later" that's fucking retarded.

At the time of your card, there was 1 fighter on there who had won a belt.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

i'll be surprised if it is over 600k.

 

[Norwegian Rudo]

From last nights Wrestling Observer Newsletter:

At press time it is too early, especially on a show like this, to get accurate PPV numbers. What we do know is that based on early numbers, it looks to be ahead of UFC 189, which had Conor McGregor (which is currently looking at being in the 800,000 to 850,000 range), a record amount of promotion, and a strong undercard. But that show was expected to do big numbers and this was not expected to do anywhere close to that.

 

[HeexX]

doesn't suprise me. Ufc 190 was an aweful card but it had ronda. I said atleast 500k but probably much more. She is a massive draw to casuals. Her and Mcgregoat on the same card would probably do well over 1.2 mil if they advertised it heavily

It wasn't a bad card tbh.