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[Ifight4Beer]

YouTube - Muay Thai Fight Night V. August, 15th 2009. Corey O'Dell vs Corby Mercer. (Round 1)
YouTube - Muay Thai Fight Night V. August, 15th 2009. Corey O'Dell vs Corby Mercer. (Round 2)

Im the one in the black trunks
Well the guy was more experienced and better than me. I cut weight like a retard and didn't take the fight serieous enuff. I have a 8-1 MMA record with 5 Ko's and thought I was a little better than i was but realized quick that a MMA striker and an experienced thai boxer are in two diffrent leagues. He was a lefty wich threw me because we were told he was orhtadox but I would like some of you guys to point out what I was week on

IMO I need to work on my boxing slip and counter a little more, I should have thrown more body kicks, and I wasted alot of punches and came in sloppy with my left hook about every time I threw it.

I got the wind knocked out of me and I was hoping when they stoped the fight that they were just gona give me another 8 to recover but I guess that isn' t how it workes. and yes I did pick up a single leg in the first round so spare me the jokes LOL.

 

[AXelator]

He kick you in the liver or something? Fucking southpaws.

 

[Umbra]

Didn't see many jabs at all and you tended to load up a lot of your punches. Your kicks looked good just need to use them to start a combo or end one. It was pretty much you were either kicking or punching but rarely really combined the two.

It was a good match though.

 

[DrBdan]

I agree with Umbra, more jabs and try to string together punches and kicks. Also, he kept beating you to the punch by throwing jab/cross straight down the pipe while you threw a lot of hooks or just loaded up on your cross. A number of times he came in with a few shots and by the time you got your punch out he was already done and back out of range.

About the stoppage, when he dropped you the first time you were down for 11-12 seconds so really it could have been stopped then. It sucks because you were just winded but it was a good stoppage since he dropped you again right away so obviously you weren't recovered yet. Congrats on stepping into the ring against a Muay Thai fighter though when you're more an MMA guy. It was an entertaining fight.

 

[Ifight4Beer]

^^thanks. Yea he was beating me to the punch alot. I also noticed that he controlled the ring alot better than I did. and I didn't think the stopage was bad but I was just expecting them to give me another count and I was gona use it to recover a little more from that kick, i was hurting from it pritty good.

 

[BeastoftheEast]

Are you guys using Hayabusa's? How were they?

 

[Ifight4Beer]

He was using Hayabusa I was using Title, everyone used there own gloves they just had to b 16oz gloves.

 

[mschatz]

I'm a boxer rather than a MT guy, so take this for what it is worth, but you rarely set up your punching combinations with jabs. You threw a lot of lead right hands, lead hooks, and overhands from what seemed too far away to me. Stepping forward with your jab before throwing your other shots can close the distance a bit more effectively, and it will also set those shots up better. People can see the huge over hand right coming a lot easier than a jab.

 

[Ifight4Beer]

^^I value a boxers oppinion, I think I need to do a little cross training in boxing. I use to lead alot with a jab but sparring with this one guy alot at the gym has me a little gun shy about it, when I started he always countered my jab with a swift kick to the back side of my ribs, so I kinda quit throwing it in hard sparring sessions. well my skills have advanced now (timing most of all) and I need to start leading with a strong jab again, because switching my game for one fighter has left me fighting like that, and I see what you are saying when I watch myself.

 

[ambertch]

Are you guys using Hayabusa's? How were they?

They are pretty good glove and also look cool. Though my Hayabusa's have already starting lumping at the front (meaning the padding is starting to come apart) after like.... 6 months of usage? That shouldn't happen for YEARS in a boxing glove.

But then again I use them for everything not just sparring, so I dunno.

 

[ambertch]

^^I value a boxers oppinion, I think I need to do a little cross training in boxing. I use to lead alot with a jab but sparring with this one guy alot at the gym has me a little gun shy about it, when I started he always countered my jab with a swift kick to the back side of my ribs, so I kinda quit throwing it in hard sparring sessions. well my skills have advanced now (timing most of all) and I need to start leading with a strong jab again, because switching my game for one fighter has left me fighting like that, and I see what you are saying when I watch myself.

Take my advice with a grain of salt since I've never seen you spar, but jabbing well and bringing it back shouldn't leave you open to that counter body kick unless your partner is TIMING YOU. If he's timing you, it could be that you are either:

- being lazy or predictable/telegraphing (boxing coach will def help with that)
- throwing it out of range or not authoritatively enough, and your partner has better sense of range than you and so just fires off that kick


But yeah there's so much subtlety to a good jab I can't even begin to comprehend. Like in K-1 MAX everybody is obviously super good at kicking eachother, but guys still lead with jabs, and start boxing combos with jabs all the time.

 

[vjvj]

Take my advice with a grain of salt since I've never seen you spar, but jabbing well and bringing it back shouldn't leave you open to that counter body kick unless your partner is TIMING YOU. If he's timing you, it could be that you are either:

- being lazy or predictable/telegraphing (boxing coach will def help with that)
- throwing it out of range or not authoritatively enough, and your partner has better sense of range than you and so just fires off that kick


But yeah there's so much subtlety to a good jab I can't even begin to comprehend. Like in K-1 MAX everybody is obviously super good at kicking eachother, but guys still lead with jabs, and start boxing combos with jabs all the time.

Word. Good advice here.

And in case it's not clear what he means by "authoritatively enough", he means your jab needs to hurt your opponent Otherwise he will just walk right through it and counter.

I used to have lots of problems with people countering my jab, too. If you invest the time into developing a solid jab, you'll see that it's worth it. Remember that just because the jab is the "safest" punch to throw, that doesn't mean it's the easiest to develop

Big props for the fight. IMHO it's hard to transition from MMA to MT, so you went in with a disadvantage.

 

[Rink]

It was very apparent that you're not that experienced. But this fight will only make you better. Like Mschatz said, you threw without any real set up. Sometimes, you threw without really looking at your opponent. Although your flurries were just wild hooks, I find it respectable that you were throwing back instead of getting covering up when you got tagged. You a fighter.

The problem with your flurries was that you were just throwing hooks, like I said. Try to mix up some punches that go through the middle of his guard. Like an uppercut or straight. I could also tell you were putting a lot of strength into those hooks. Relax a bit more and make your punches snap. You'll throw them faster and you won't get as tired.

 

[Marvin Covar]

I'm a boxer rather than a MT guy, so take this for what it is worth, but you rarely set up your punching combinations with jabs. You threw a lot of lead right hands, lead hooks, and overhands from what seemed too far away to me. Stepping forward with your jab before throwing your other shots can close the distance a bit more effectively, and it will also set those shots up better. People can see the huge over hand right coming a lot easier than a jab.

I agree. Also, you had him at a corner many times but failed to capitalize completely. instead of teeing off, you'd throw a combination and then back off.

 

[Ifight4Beer]

Take my advice with a grain of salt since I've never seen you spar, but jabbing well and bringing it back shouldn't leave you open to that counter body kick unless your partner is TIMING YOU. If he's timing you, it could be that you are either:

- being lazy or predictable/telegraphing (boxing coach will def help with that)
- throwing it out of range or not authoritatively enough, and your partner has better sense of range than you and so just fires off that kick


But yeah there's so much subtlety to a good jab I can't even begin to comprehend. Like in K-1 MAX everybody is obviously super good at kicking eachother, but guys still lead with jabs, and start boxing combos with jabs all the time.

Yes the guy at the gym that does that has great timing (he's the trainer with alot of pro Thai Boxing experience) he alos used the low inside leg kick to counter when i would plant hard to double jab my way inside, In mma I throw alot of jabs and IMO my stand up looks alot better but,,,,, ive never fought anyone that had as good or better stand up than I, so I think being aprehensive had alot to do with that, about 15 seconds into the fight I knew the guy I was fighting was a better thai boxier, but I don't think his timing was good enuff that I needed to be so cautious. I fell away from the basics and started trying to KO him with about every shot.

 

[Ifight4Beer]

I payed attention to alot of the advice you guys gave me in sparring last night and did better against the only guy that normaly schools me, and I did better than I ever have aginst him. I thank you for your advice.