McCall-Lewis Stoppage fair?

treelo said:
i think it being stopped possibly helped Lewis in the long run

he may have kept McCall off him, or he could have been very badly hurt, he lived to fight another day with little damage taken
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If he hadn't went down at all and been that unsteady I could see it but when the ref is eyeing a guy, he's on the spot, actually both men are at that moment.
 
mozfonky said:
it's rarer for heavyweights but it happens, Greg Page never recovered from his last fight. Alejandro Lavorante,Ernie Schaff. That's not to even get into all the big men who end up more than a little goofy upstairs after their careers.
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There used to be a guy that kept his own personal collection of boxing-related deaths that was maintained up until 2007. While heavyweight fatalities are fairly rare there are a lot of them on this list granted it goes back a long time. I'm sure he missed a lot too so the numbers are only as good as his collection method(s). Here's his mortality archive.

Death under the Spotlight: The Manuel Velasquez Boxing Fatality Collection
The Data
 
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Kovalev's "Man Bag" said:
There used to be a guy that kept his own personal collection of boxing-related deaths that was maintained up until 2007. While heavyweight fatalities are fairly rare there are a lot of them on this list granted it goes back a long time. I'm sure he missed a lot so the numbers are only as good as his collection method(s). Here's his mortality archive.

Death under the Spotlight: The Manuel Velasquez Boxing Fatality Collection
The Data
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it's always a possibility but almost as bad are the worst cases of guys taking too much punishment. Greg Page had no business in the ring at his age, fighting some no hoper who couldn't have competed with him in his prime. Jerry Quarry took some horrible abuse in some of his 70's fights but he spoke clearly at the end of the decade. He made a comeback where he took a horrible beating in a fight and ended up on SSI and functioned at the level of a child. It's nothing to take lightly. The list of heavyweights who are badly damaged is a long one for good reason, although they may not have the fatalities that lighter weights do, they do have as much or more cognitive problems. The big guys hit harder after all.
 
mozfonky said:
it's always a possibility but almost as bad are the worst cases of guys taking too much punishment. Greg Page had no business in the ring at his age, fighting some no hoper who couldn't have competed with him in his prime. Jerry Quarry took some horrible abuse in some of his 70's fights but he spoke clearly at the end of the decade. He made a comeback where he took a horrible beating in a fight and ended up on SSI and functioned at the level of a child. It's nothing to take lightly. The list of heavyweights who are badly damaged is a long one for good reason, although they may not have the fatalities that lighter weights do, they do have as much or more cognitive problems. The big guys hit harder after all.
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True. Bottom line is this: If a man can't stand he can't fight. Unless of course they happen to be a grappler/ground fighter which Lewis is not. When a person can't even steady themselves to remain firmly upright it's over. The risk of death or serious injury is too grave to overlook.

“If a man can't stand, he can't fight. If a man can't breathe, he can't fight. If a man can't see, he can't fight. Extreme situations require extreme measures.” —Sensei Terry Silver of Cobra Kai
 
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It was a good stoppage. Lewis was out of it.

The Tszyu-Judah stoppage was good too. It's not Nady's fault Judah tried to get up too soon like an idiot.
 
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Kovalev's "Man Bag" said:
He did get up too fast at the 6 count when he shouldn't have until around 8. However, that only buys him approximately 2 seconds give or take depending on how fast the ref continued to count. I don't think it would've been long enough to allow him to recover (or play it off, anyway). That was a big shot that took his equilibrium and his legs had already betrayed him. He did look clearheaded but the damage was already done.
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Agree.

He may have been able to survive if given the chance (pre 1950s style) , but the stoppage was 100% justified, par for the course for the era.
 
I feel like McCalls win here somehow gets questioned because he was a less notable fighter, but McCall was an absolute beast of a specimen, one who rose to his full potential on this occasion, and blew through Lewis inside 2. He employed a strategy throughout this short affair and it didn’t take long for him catch up to Lewis. Lewis was not safe to continue, and if he was allowed McCall would have shortened his whole career, not just his night. Any failings McCall had in his career after clearly was due to him essentially being a total head case and mental midget. But no number of excuses will ever erase that loss for Lewis, he got beat by a dangerous McCall on McCalls best night. Wasn’t some random accident. No need to question the result at all
 
Seano said:
Nady should have finished the count, IMO.
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Those arguing that Zab should've been given the full count have also said that Fury shouldn't have been treated the same in the first Wilder fight. There's no consistency on either side of the coin but fortunately fans aren't refs. Nady was well within his right to stop the contest.
✓ The referee can stop the contest at any time if he believes that one boxer is in any type of physical danger or if he wants a doctor to examine either boxer. The referee should always feel free to use the ring- side physician to determine a boxer's medical/physical condition.
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Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports Referee Manual of Professional Boxing
 
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