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Mayweather retirement and how Cotto can bring him back.

Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by Dragonstyle915, Jun 19, 2008.

  1. Dragonstyle915 Brown Belt

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    Hear me out. I dont like to make a thread about stuff like this. I have no source. I have no proof. I only have logic and I have decided to use it on this. I start a thread to get conversations and thoughts. I think I've proven I can do that. I just want my opinion on all this to be heard.

    I dont want to say that Mayweather wants to fight the winner of Cotto vs. DLH. Nor do I want to suggest that its a plan between promoters. But this is what I think can happen...

    The fight with DLH was something Money May wanted and he even made his Uncle, Roger, stop training Steve Forbes to not help him beat DLH. Perhaps for hyping up the fight Mayweather didnt have a problem feuding with Dad, who was helping, DLH. But maybe, just maybe, it hit home as soon as signing the contract was so close. Maybe when it became reality Mayweather stopped for a second and didnt want to put his family through any of this Son vs. Father and/or Brother vs. Brother garbage. Maybe he decided to find a way out and felt nothing he's done has earned him enough appreciation. He perhaps didnt feel the need to ruin his family because he would make a couple more millions. Money is something he already has and without Floyd SR in Oscar's corner it seems like he would make equal amount of money.

    What I honestly believe however. Is that DLH vs. Cotto, honestly, has a decent chance of being the second-ever PPV to reach over 2 millions buys and will perhaps break the current record held by DLH vs. Mayweather.

    #1 Its Mexican vs. Puerto Rican
    #2 Miguel Cotto could be coming out of a big win vs. Margarito .
    #3 Its DLH and its DLH in his last fight.
    #4 Seems like this can be a much more exciting fight than DLH vs. Mayweather
    #5 Its coming at the end of a Boxing year, 2008, that is looking very good and better than 2007.

    What I mean by this is that if Miguel Cotto beats DLH and he does it in a PPV that sold more than DLH vs. Mayweather then not only would Miguel Cotto be a house hold name he would hold the record Mayweather believes, in his head, is his. 2.4 million PPV buys.

    Even if it doesnt sell 2.4 million. Anything over 2 million. Or close to it can convince Mayweather to return.

    Cotto will have more exposure. Cotto isnt trained by Mayweathers father. As far as securing his legacy with hardcore boxing fans this seems like a fight he can take and sell over 1 million PPV's with, without the DLH name.

    I honestly believe Cotto is a Margarito and DLH win away from getting his big fight with Mayweather in 2009.
     
  2. Seano Hands of bone Double Yellow Card

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    I've been thinking that if Cotto beats Margarito convincingly and DLH signs another fight, Floyd wll be back.

    Floyd just wanted out of the DLH fight, IMO.
     
  3. Divatologist Orange Belt

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    Everyone has a price.....
     
  4. Soul Rebel 2 Black Belt

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    Mayweather is all about publicity. I guarantee that were going to see him in the ring sooner rather than later.
     
  5. BobbyBrez Brown Belt

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    How many of these threads are going to get started?
     
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    Didn't read the post but if it will bring PBF to fight Cotto than I'm for it.
     
  7. AtomicPope Blue Belt

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    Mayweather is popular with the journalists and critics so they give him attention. Therefore, it remains in public dialog when it should have died many moons ago. Said but troof!
     
  8. AtomicPope Blue Belt

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    Good post but I don't believe it. If Cotto decisively beats Margarito then Floyd won't face him. Floyd ducked Margarito, it's a simple fact. Floyd throws few punches. Margarito throws the most punches in the recorded history of pugilism. Margarito is relentless and made of cast iron. He dismantled Cintron in spectacular fashion - twice. He hits hard, often and from every angle. His greatest flaws are he's ruff, a slow starter, and squares up in every fight. But because he's so big for his weight he's a problem for Floyd.

    Cotto is going to have to work to get past Margarito. I don't know if he can do it. However, Cotto has grown considerably in recent years. His defenses have improved. He discoved the jab. He also hasn't been in serious trouble in a long time. But can he handle a bigger, tougher volume puncher with chin? He could lose the "Torres" fight this time around.

    Nobody wants to fight Margarito except for Cotto. That's what I love about Cotto. He'll fight anyone. And he gives it his all every time. He fought Gomez when Alfonso had no business stepping in the ring with him.

    The problem with the focus of the OP is the focus of Sports Journalism. Sports jounalists need to reinvent themselves. I'm saying this because their focus on guys like MW and DLH is bad for the sport. DLH is a great promoter but hasn't been game in years. Sports writers need to focus on guys whose fights are worth promoting. Forget about MW and DLH. MW beat a puffed up pikey, big deal. DLH struggled with a "Contender." Who cares? Cotto is putting "Contenders" trunks on the canvas. Magarito is manhandling powerhouses. So lets quit talking about promoters and focus on fighters.
     
  9. BobbyBrez Brown Belt

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    Or instead of people starting new threads they can click the "search" button and find the same conversations we've had many times over.
     
  10. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It is absolutely not that.
     
  11. XiaolinSoldier Black Belt

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    No it isnt. But its an obvious fact that Margarito presented problems, and Floyd PROBABLY took that into consideration.
     
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    Why would you want to bring PBF out of retirement?? To chase him around the ring and him not wanting to engage? Cotto and odlh dont need him to make money. If cotto stops odlh in their bout, then he's already better than PBF in most of the publics eyes.
     
  13. thatsmydin Blue Belt

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    Go back to Texas and watch mma redneck.
     
  14. Pro Killer Black Belt

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    I don't know what to think about Mayweather anymore Im just about done with him, I wouldnt mind seeing a DLH fight as it was close the last time, But atleast now we don't have to see another Hatton fight.

    Fingers crossed he will be back against Cotto and is just trying to get even more money. Both of them are two of my favourite fighters but I think Floyd would beat Cotto so I don't think he's ducking him. I reckon its a way of proving to everyone he can do what he wants and if he fights Cotto it will be because he wants to and he's not doing it for anyone else he doesnt care about the fans or anything.

    Actually who am I kidding its Mayweather this fake retirement is all about the money for him!
     
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    Well Bob Arum offered Mayweather 8 million to fight Margarito. This hasn't been disputed by Mayweather or his camp but Mayweather instead fought Carlos Baldomir for the linear title and claimed he got the same amount of money, 8 million for the fight. The thing is Mayweather's purse for that fight has never been made public and usually you can find out about the purses from the NSAC. The number was probably not released because he in fact made a lot less money against Baldomor then he would have against Margarito
     
  16. G0NZ0 MADE MAN

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    Floyd is ducking Cotto bottom line.
     
  17. Dragonstyle915 Brown Belt

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    Considering you clicked on this thread atleast twice to see what people are saying it doesnt seem like you are very uninterested.

    I dont believe this is a repeat posts. Does it invove Mayweather's retirement and has there been a Mayweather retirement posts? Yes. Does it involve a possible Cotto vs. DLH fight and has there been a thread? Sure. Have both things been mentioned? perhaps here and there on specific threads.

    But I touched on several things on this thread. Like,

    Mayweather believing the 2.4 Million PPV buy record belongs to him and how Cotto vs. DLH selling more, and Cotto winning that fight- can result in Mayweather coming back.

    How Mayweathers retirement can be also linked to his father training DLH and how, eventhough we all "have a price", maybe not when it comes to family.

    The thread also touched on a question of whether or not Cotto vs. DLH can sell more PPV's than Mayweather vs. DLH. I dont see any threads on that.

    So with that said....
     
  18. Dragonstyle915 Brown Belt

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    I would be interested in your thoughts as to why you think he wanted out of the DLH fight. He says he wanted out of Boxing of course, with retirement. But do you think that because he didnt want to risk getting caught with a left hook and damage hsi reputation- despite that being unlikely- but possible?

    Do you think he hates doing business with Oscar De la Hoya and refuses to give him more than 50/50 at this point?

    Do you think it has to do with his father training DLH?

    A little bit of everything?


    Thanks for the reply. Cotto vs. Margarito Poster, I saw it today- AWSOME. But anyway, on to your posts.

    I agree on sports journalists concentrating too much on DLH and MW. But can you blame them? Its easier. Convinient. Will get more coverage/readers. Not as much research is needed and if they cover several sports its easiler to write about the big name then do research on the name only hardcore Boxing fans know about.

    Cotto is a great fighter. He's exciting to watch. He's undefeated. It's only a matter of time before he reaches MW popularity. Honestly. mayweather didnt sell over 500,000 PPV buys before the DLH fight. Infact, his numbers were similar to what Cotto's are now. And Mayweather never had that "The best is ducking him" talk. Alot of people at work are talking about how Mayweather is scared of Cotto. Maybe its true. Maybe its not. But that talk has to bother MW somewhat.



    I agree Floyd would be a fvorite to beat Cotto. BUT, I also think Cotto would be the best chance of beating him than just about anyone Floyd has ever faced. Seems like its too big a risk for not as big a reward as Floyd Mayweather would like. On ESPN Mayweather did say; "His PPV numbers are nto that good. He has to create his own fanbase then once he has numbers close to mine then we can fight"- Not an exact quote. Not looking for a source either. And yes this was way before he announced retirement. It was when he was promoting his "fight' vs. Big Show.
     
  19. MMAmouse Brown Belt

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    And people will say he's ducking somebody somebody else (probably Williams) if he comes back and beats Cotto.
     
  20. Seano Hands of bone Double Yellow Card

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    I think because the first fight was a letdown and then Oscar had a mediocre at best showing against Forbes. Oscar said right out that he thought Forbes was basically a poor mans Floyd, so if he got tagged that much against Forbes and the first fight sucked, who wants to see another? He doesn't need the money.
     

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