max holloway has shown again jiu jitsu has major flaws

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  1. doubleg

    doubleg I will reak Double Yellow Card

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    the tak down attempts and range were god damn awful
    has jiu jitsu just become a Gracie propaganda piece to get monies
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    how many champs r now jiu jitsu disciples, meaning their foundation is jiu jitsu
    all 6/8 divisions are foundationally wrestlers and the other 2 are strikers
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  2. welcometohavoc

    welcometohavoc Yellow Card

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    Take away BJJ from all those wrestlers and they're all tapped
     
  3. LaylaThePitBuLL

    LaylaThePitBuLL Red Nose Belt Yellow Card

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    It's as if only BJJ fighters study BJJ

    Oh wait
     
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    Arm Barbarian Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Pure BJJ guys would be super well served to cross train in wrestling.

    They have great ground games, but todays fighters have much evolved TDD.

    I often wonder what would happen if we saw a legit Olympic caliber wrestler cross-train in BJJ, and achieve a high level black belt game. That would be seriously scary imo.
     
  5. flowoftruth

    flowoftruth Green Belt

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    the problem is when you have just pure jiujitsu without any real grappling skills. how can you impose your game when u can't take the fight where u need it
     
  6. Congo66

    Congo66 Black Belt

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    It's all down to the first M in MMA.
    It's not wrestling and it's not BJJ.
     
  7. DIDM

    DIDM Death Company

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    In BJJ strikes aren’t allowed

    Edie has made some fun rules though for combat jui jitsu with open palm strikes
     
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    RayA Brown Belt

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    This thread is just going to be a bunch of people saying the same thing. BJJ is great, but you need the accompanying skills to get the fight to where you want it to be. Pure BJJ man gets lit up on the feet mercilessly. Pure Wrestlers get pulled into a submission. Pure striker gets taken down and pulverized.

    Now as for BJJ as a base, again, it's fine as long as you develop the accompanying necessary skill sets. The problem with a lot of BJJ practitioners is that the current MMA landscape is saturated with wrestling heavy based fighters.
     
  9. Katsumi Yamada

    Katsumi Yamada Silver Belt

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    Let's see what Kron can do.

    Anyway there are still elite, elite guys with BJJ base like Jacare.
     
  10. doubleg

    doubleg I will reak Double Yellow Card

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    im just saying without wrestling jiu jistu sucks, so catch wrestling probably the peak art form for mma. ortegas takedowns attempts were god awful.
     
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    ninja boot Purple Belt

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    jitz is especially shitty when you fight a kickboxing match for 4 straight rounds.
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    dabouv Purple Belt

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    The weakness is take downs. You have to get the fight to the ground and that is a hole is so many BJJ's guys games. Strikers can get a long way with TDD and the BJJ guys need to work on single and double legs. I trained years ago at what is now team elevation and I don't think we worked on take downs much at all. Its been awhile. Maia got pretty far but he never had the explosive GSP kind of takedowns and it hurt him in some big fights. Ortega is tough as nails and he has heart. He will be back,.
     
  13. doubleg

    doubleg I will reak Double Yellow Card

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    not what imm saying, there are flaws in bjj, and its probably obsolete.
     
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    Jon Jones: outwrestles Olympic caliber wrestlers
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    Submits black-belts
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    doubleg I will reak Double Yellow Card

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    im analysing the benefits, a lot of fighters learn bjj or learning, but the takedown bit is missing. essentially getting to its obsolete.
     
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    NekMinnit The Reapers Era

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    A great striker with solid tdd beats a decent striker with a diamond belt in bjj
     
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    sangreporsangre Gold Belt

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    All it really showed us is that Holloway is a better mma fighter than T-City.
     
  18. Apollo33

    Apollo33 Brown Belt

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    Dude do you even know what gym Max trains out of.

    Gracie Technics.
     
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    flowoftruth Green Belt

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    he was getting too comfortable striking, keep all your tools sharp but don't ever forget your bread and butter .
     
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    grimballer Silver Belt

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    Take a pure wrestler, boxer, kickboxer n bjj guy n put them in a mma fight vs a mma fighter n guess who’s gonna do the best outta those 4?
     
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