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I personally support the protestors. I could care less about whether a telescope gets built well actually I would want it built if the locals did not think the land is sacred but this is their land. I respect their commitment and willingness to go to jail.


HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - A day after 34 were arrested for blocking the access road to the summit of Mauna Kea, leaders of a growing TMT protest say they’re not going anywhere and claimed the governor’s emergency proclamation for the mountain is an “abuse of power.”

“Calling out the National Guard is an insult to Hawaiians,” said Native Hawaiian activist Walter Ritte, speaking at a news conference Thursday morning. “This mountain is united. We cannot get a governor who is abusing powers take it away from us. This is an issue that goes out to all Hawaiians."

Ritte was among 34 people ― all but one of whom were kupuna ― arrested Wednesday at protest against the Thirty Meter Telescope planned for Mauna Kea’s summit.



TMT protesters hold briefing on Mauna Kea situation
Following the arrests, the governor issued a state of emergency for Mauna Kea, saying the proclamation would give the state “more flexibility” to handle the protest and try to secure access for construction equipment to get to planned site for the telescope on the mountain.

“The protesters continue to break the law and place the safety of the public at risk," Ige said, at a news conference. "It’s very clear that we need to be able to secure access in a better way.”

Despite the strong words, there was no immediate action Thursday morning to try to move protesters again from the access road to the summit ― and the state hasn’t said when more arrests could happen.

On Thursday afternoon, state Department of Land and Natural Resources spokesman Dan Dennison offered few new updates but did say that the Mauna Kea Access Road has now been closed to pedestrian traffic. Previously, the road had been closed only to cars.




State officials hold press conference at Mauna Kea on fourth day of protests
Kahookahi Kanuha, among those leading the protest, said it did not appear law enforcement was ready to take action Thursday morning but an announcement could happen later in the day.

“Right now we don’t really know what’s going on. There’s nothing imminent at this point, so we anticipate having a little bit of downtime,” Kanuha said.

The arrests Wednesday started around 8 a.m. and continued until about 11 a.m., when they stopped abruptly. Authorities said those arrested all elected to get cited with a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of a government operation, rather than being booked at the Hilo police station.

Despite the arrests, the protest at the base of the summit has remained peaceful, with some going so far as to embrace law enforcement officers before they were taken into custody.


The arrests happened on the third day of protests at the base of Mauna Kea, where an estimated 1,000 protesters have gathered to try to block construction of the Thirty Meter Telescope.

Before the arrests, law enforcement agencies were in intense negotiations with protesters to try to convince them to clear the Mauna Kea Access Road and allow TMT construction equipment to pass.

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Police lined the roadway to the Mauna Kea summit on Wednesday afternoon. (Image: Hawaii News Now)
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Law enforcement officials carry a protester from the Mauna Kea Access Road to a waiting van. (Image: Hawaii News Now)
Around mid-day Wednesday, Dennison said arrests had “stopped for the time being” and he could not say when they would resume.


He characterized the day as an emotional one, and said protesters and law enforcement officers were remaining respectful to one another.

“Some of the people arrested were actually related to some of the officers. It was pretty tough,” Dennison said, adding that the state is “prepared to uphold the law and be sure everyone remains safe and secure.”

Those who were arrested were bused from the area, and given the option to be cited and released or transported to Hilo to face charges. The 34 who were cited are due in court on Sept. 20.



State officials hold press conference from Mauna Kea following arrests of protesters
The arrests were of those sitting in tents blocking the Mauna Kea Access Road to the summit. As one person in the tent was arrested, however, they were being replaced by someone else.

Meanwhile, tensions at the base of the mountain remain high and activists said the arrests would not deter them from their efforts to protect a place they believe is sacred.

“We’re kupuna fighting for our families,” said Ranette Robinson, one of those arrested.

“We came to protect our sacred land,” another protester said. “There’s not much more we have left.”


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Native Hawaiian activist raised his fist and yelled "unity" as he was arrested Wednesday morning. (Image: Hawaii News Now)
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The arrests at the base of Mauna Kea began just after 8 a.m. Wednesday (Image: Hawaii News Now)
Also arrested Wednesday was Office of Hawaiian Affairs trustee Carmen Hulu Lindsey. She said she joined the protest because she has always been against the Thirty Meter Telescope project.

A number of the arrested protesters were escorted to a waiting van in loosely-fitted zip ties.

But several protesters was carried away by several officers. Another kupuna in a wheelchair, who appeared to be crying, was being pushed to a waiting van by an officer.



Arrests of TMT protesters blocking Mauna Kea Access Road have begun
The arrests come a decade after plans for the $1 billion Thirty Meter Telescope at Mauna Kea were first announced, and after activists exhausted all legal avenues to try to prevent its construction.

Supporters of the 18-story telescope say it will push forward the field of astronomy, allowing humans to peer farther into space ― and back in time ― than any other telescope in the world.

[Special section: Conflict on Mauna Kea]


But protesters say the telescope will further desecrate a place they consider sacred.


The arrests Wednesday happened after two already-intense days at Mauna Kea.

On Tuesday, negotiations between protesters and law enforcement agencies ended in a stalemate.

For much of the day, a crowd of people ― led by a group of kupuna at the front lines ― sat under pop-up tents erected over Mauna Kea Access Road to block anyone from going up the mountain.


But unlike what unfolded Monday morning ― when dozens of officers were seen marching down Daniel K. Inouye Highway toward the site of the demonstrations ― there was never a significant law enforcement presence in the vicinity of the protests.

[Read more: Dozens of Honolulu police officers deployed to assist law enforcement at Mauna Kea]

[Read more: Exploring the timeline leading up to the ‘Conflict on Mauna Kea’]

Instead, the most notable interaction between the two sides Tuesday happened when officers tried to escort what was described as a group of employees to the existing telescopes atop Mauna Kea.


Protest leaders asked that the National Guard not be allowed past their makeshift checkpoint and that they wanted one vehicle per day to be allowed to access the summit to perform cultural practices.


The law enforcement officials reportedly told protesters those requests wouldn’t be granted, and so activists subsequently refused to move to allow the employees to access their workplaces.

A few hours later, though, protesters eventually did make way ― for telescope employees leaving the mountain. Just before 4 p.m., the directors of the existing telescopes atop Mauna Kea decided to abandon the mountain in order to ensure the safety of their employees.

“Without guaranteed reliable access to the telescopes, the Maunakea Observatories will suspend all summit activities,” said Jessica Dempsey, deputy director of the East Asian Observatory.

he added that “the Maunakea Observatories have millions of dollars of instrumentation. This is a risk for us to have to step away at this point.”


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Though Tuesday ended relatively peacefully, there were some moments of tension.

That included when word began to spread that 60 officers with the Honolulu Police Department had landed on Hawaii Island to support law enforcement efforts at Mauna Kea.


The protest at the summit of Mauna Kea started Monday, the day that construction on the giant telescope was slated to start. State officials, however, said they never intended to move heavy equipment up the mountain that day. Instead, their focus was securing areas along the roads leading up to Mauna Kea.
 
Linda Correia 7 hours ago
Mauna Kea is the most beautiful mountain in the world, just beautiful, I can understand the protesting!!

Really?!?!? I can name about a half dozen better looking mountains off the top of my head.

Mauna Kea is just a big bulging desolate looking Shield Volcano. Dirt brown with no interesting features.
 
Science >>>>>>>>>>> religion imho.

that's not really the point. What if somebody came into your home town and said we need to destroy your monuments for the sake of progress? What if the only way to advance was to burn all the art and literature? People have a right to defend their culture. And if those values don't align with ours then the question is how much misery is science worth? The answer to that says a lot about us as a society
 
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that's not really the point. What if somebody came into your home town and said we need to destroy your monuments for the sake of progress. What if the only way to advance was to burn all the art and literature? People have a right to defend their culture. And if those values don't align with ours then the question is how much misery is science worth?

It's a silly comparison and a fake issue. These people don't care about defending genuinely held sacred beliefs. I doubt even a single one of them practices Hawaiian paganism in a serious way. Their religion is the fantasy of native Hawaiians standing up to the white man. The religious angle is just window dressing.
 
It's a silly comparison and a fake issue. These people don't care about defending genuinely held sacred beliefs. I doubt even a single one of them practices Hawaiian paganism in a serious way. Their religion is the fantasy of native Hawaiians standing up to the white man. The religious angle is just window dressing.

Okay how do you determine what a geinuely held belief is? What about Arlington National Cemetery. What is the UN came in and said we need to build a telescope right there for whatever reason. Its not a religious site why should you care?
 
if the locals did not think the land is sacred

It's a bare-ass bump with jack shit up there but scrubbrush and roads to the other 15 telescopes. People ain't going up there to prey, but they'll flock to some good snowfall.

I'm on the side of the billion-dollar construction project and the professional wages it'll sustain. This state is about the least affordable in the nation and on Big Island there's not much opportunity outside the service industry. And of course there's the advancement of science for all mankind. :cool:
 
Okay how do you determine what a geinuely held belief is? What about Arlington National Cemetery. What is the UN came in and said we need to build a telescope right there for whatever reason. Its not a religious site why should you care?

By finding out what percentage of the protesters are woke white people and how many of the native Hawaiians involved (probably a very small number and possibly zero) actually practice traditional Hawaiian religion. I'm guessing its mostly woke white people who like the idea of opposing "white" colonialist things like science. Bonus question: if they build the telescope what bad thing will happen? Will the Hawaiian gods strike them down with furious anger? I think you'll find a bunch of jib jab about colonialism.
 
Science >>>>>>>>>>> religion imho.
I agree with this in general for sure.

Having said that, what the US government did to native Hawaiian people is beyond disgusting. It was illegal to teach our language or practice our religion. As a Hawaiian hapa haole (part Hawaiian part white) and as a law enforcement officer this kind of issue is as tough as it gets for me. As a section commander I was asked to provide officers to this and I’ll just say that I did not.

As far as locals go though, they aren’t all unified on this. Hardly anyone practices traditional Hawaiian religion. However there are also environmental concerns. On the other hand there is already another large telescope, built and owned by the Japanese, on Mauna Kea among other telescopes there. There have been lots of protests against this and attempts to stop this before now, it’s been going on for like a decade.

I actually wrote a longer post originally, but for the sake of my career I think it’s best that this is all I share.
 
I agree with this in general for sure.

Having said that, what the US government did to native Hawaiian people is beyond disgusting.

For the record, there are no more native Hawaiian people. They were mercilessly genocided by Tahitian settlers in the 12th century AD, zero fucks given.
 
should have seen this one coming a long long way off.
 
Sacred? Get fucked. If volcano God is pissed we will know it. Till then take your hippie asses home.
 
For the record, there are no more native Hawaiian people. They were mercilessly genocided by Tahitian settlers in the 12th century AD, zero fucks given.
Thanks for the pointless, and disputed, factoid about the ancient Hawaiians. Any Tahitian conquest is irrelevant as they came to speak Hawaiian, worship Hawaiian gods and thusly became “Hawaiians.” Mind you this is long before the unification of the Hawaiian islands. There was no wholesale genocide of the original Polynesian settlers as far as I know.

Would it make you happier if we were referred to as native Tahitians? That wouldn’t be confusing. It would be like referring to Brits as Germans, or saying there are no British people, because the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany and conquered whoever was there first. In short, you’re being a dipshit as usual.
 
One doesn’t have to gaze at the stars to see that some are afraid of the big scope here!
 
I agree with this in general for sure.

Having said that, what the US government did to native Hawaiian people is beyond disgusting. It was illegal to teach our language or practice our religion. As a Hawaiian hapa haole (part Hawaiian part white) and as a law enforcement officer this kind of issue is as tough as it gets for me. As a section commander I was asked to provide officers to this and I’ll just say that I did not.

As far as locals go though, they aren’t all unified on this. Hardly anyone practices traditional Hawaiian religion. However there are also environmental concerns. On the other hand there is already another large telescope, built and owned by the Japanese, on Mauna Kea among other telescopes there. There have been lots of protests against this and attempts to stop this before now, it’s been going on for like a decade.

I actually wrote a longer post originally, but for the sake of my career I think it’s best that this is all I share.


that was likely for the best That DOCARE guy got a lot of flack for his hug
 
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Thanks for the pointless, and disputed, factoid about the ancient Hawaiians. Any Tahitian conquest is irrelevant as they came to speak Hawaiian, worship Hawaiian gods and thusly became “Hawaiians.” Mind you this is long before the unification of the Hawaiian islands. There was no wholesale genocide of the original Polynesian settlers as far as I know.

What the Tahitian settlers did to the native Hawaiian people is beyond disgusting. What goes around comes around.

Would it make you happier if we were referred to as native Tahitians? That wouldn’t be confusing. It would be like referring to Brits as Germans, or saying there are no British people, because the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany and conquered whoever was there first. In short, you’re being a dipshit as usual.

Wow, so much anger coming from you. Relax.
 
A telescope isn't going to bring any light or noise pollution, and those stations are usually manned by a very small staffs, so don't expect a ton of added traffic congestion, littering, or other stresses associated with overcrowding.

These people need to calm down. I support the telescope installation.
 
First thing that came to mind:


I'm a dick
 
What the Tahitian settlers did to the native Hawaiian people is beyond disgusting. What goes around comes around.



Wow, so much anger coming from you. Relax.
Lol not angry at all; you’re adorable. Still pretending to be black this week?

Don’t get it wrong, I’m a proud American who has sworn to uphold the Constitution. I love being an American. That doesn’t mean I can’t be critical of past practices. Just like while I certainly don’t condone protests that break the law, that doesn’t mean I can’t have empathy for the protesters who are legitimate Hawaiians who feel marginalized.
 
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