Matt Reeves' GOTHAM TV Series at HBO Max (Loses Showrunner Terence Winter)

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Update: July 10, 2020

THE BATMAN TV Series Spinoff from Matt Reeves, Terence Winter Set at HBO Max

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HBO Max and Matt Reeves, the filmmaker behind the new Batman movie, have teamed up to develop a police drama series set in the crime-infested streets of the Caped Crusader’s hometown Gotham City.

Terence Winter, who created the Prohibition crime drama Boardwalk Empire and cut his teeth on The Sopranos, will write and executive produce the series, which is coming with a series commitment from HBO Max. Batman producer Dylan Clark and Warner Bros. Television are also involved.

The series does not yet have a title, although some have been calling it Gotham Central, harkening back to the police procedural comic from writers Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka, and GCPD. Either way, it would deal with police detectives working in the shadow of one very batlike vigilante.

Here’s the cool wrinkle: The show will operate in the same story universe as Reeves’ movie, The Batman, which stars Robert Pattinson as Batman. It also has Jeffrey Wright in the role of detective or police commissioner James Gordon.

HBO Max says the series will be "set in the world Reeves is creating for The Batman feature film and will build upon the motion picture’s examination of the anatomy of corruption in Gotham City, ultimately launching a new Batman universe across multiple platforms. The series provides an unprecedented opportunity to extend the world established in the movie and further explore the myriad of compelling and complex characters of Gotham."

It is unclear whether Wright and Pattinson would appear in the show. No castings have been made at this early stage, sources say.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...-reeves-terence-winter-set-at-hbo-max-1302540
 
Looks like this will be a prequel. So it's basically going to be a reboot of The CW's Gotham series.



Came here to post this. It's been done already with Gotham. I don't really see the point.

If we're talking about comic book police procedurals, give us a show about the Judges of Mega City One:cool:
 
I have very little faith in this turning out as a good show.
 
I liked Gotham for what it was. HBO version with Bruce as an adult in the universe could be cool. The ending of Gotham was corny except for Lili Simmons in the catwoman outfit.


Agreed tired of Batman though. He has been in 10 movies. 11 if you count the cameo in Suicide Squad. Pass the BATon ffs.
 
I have made threads complaining about the gotham series about how season 1 was like the Tony Soprano/Sal Maroni was going up against Don Falcone/The godfather all while Jim Gordon was in the middle of this. Season 1 was magical.

Sal Maroni was similar to Tony Soprano in a sense that he was the main boss of his family but also was out there in the streets. Carmine Falcone was more of a businessman. Jim Gordon was there to witness the history of gotham, mafia and how greed and disparity led to crime and poverty. But season 2 came...

In season 2, it became about resurrection, mind control, mutants,mad scientist ,and over the top comic like plotlines with humor that was completely deviated from the season 1 and became a different show which was a show about realistic detective work.

Few days ago, a news came that a new Gotham is in works and that they acknowledge that they screwed up the world setting and the new gotham series is designed to continue with the reality of what season 1 gotham was supposed to be.


Cliff:

-Season 1 gotham was based on mafia factions, corrupt cops, serial killers

-season 2-5 gotham turned to mutants, mad scientist, cyborgs and comic book gimmicks

-Gotham PD is going to focus on the rise of mafia, corrupt officials and psychopaths. No comic book villains

https://screenrant.com/batman-gotham-pd-tv-show-better-fox/




Gotham PD is The Show Fox Said GOTHAM Was Going To Be
HBO Max's Gotham PD series will be the second GCPD-themed show as it will be doing things that FOX's Batman prequel Gotham was originally going to do.
By Andy Behbakht Aug 29, 2020
Gotham PD series will have opportunities to explore the GCPD in ways that FOX’s Gotham didn’t throughout its 5-year run. Matt Reeves’ The Batman made a big splash at DC FanDome as the first teaser trailer was unveiled; however, during the movie’s panel, Reeves went ahead and spoke a bit about what to expect from HBO Max’s upcoming Gotham PD inspired drama that will be set in the world of The Batman. The series, which is being written and executive produced by Terence Winter (Broadwalk Empire), will be taking place a year before the events of the upcoming Robert Pattinson-picture, and will follow the larger corruption in Gotham City.

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This isn’t the first time the GCPD has been given the spotlight on television: For 5 years on FOX, Gotham was the platform that showcased iconic Batman characters, like James Gordon before becoming the commissioner as well as following a young Bruce Wayne finding his inner Dark Knight. Even though the villains’ origin stories were part of Gotham’s DNA, season 2 leaned more into them and transformed the prequel drama into something different. The announcement for the HBO Max iteration came only a year after Gotham concluded. Even Gotham star Ben McKenzie poked fun at the idea of Warner Bros. doing another show following the police department this soon.

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According to Reeves, Gotham PD goes back to Year 1 of Batman’s emergence while following through “the point-of-view of these corrupt cops and one [cop] in particular.” That is just one of many elements that will set the two shows apart in the long-run. It’s still uncertain whether or not Pattinson’s character will be seen throughout the show or simply be referenced and viewed as a myth to the city. Ultimately, Gotham PD will be the GCPD show that FOX wanted their prequel series to be that in the end just transformed into something different. This is what Gotham’s legacy became and Gotham PD will do to set itself apart.

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Gotham Wasn't A True Batman Prequel
As much as Bruce was a central character in the show, Gotham wasn’t a traditional Batman prequel. Due to how young Bruce was when the series began, it was a challenge to keep it as a full-on origin story in the beginning. Gotham season 1 was a lot more grounded compared to the later seasons where the tone became a lot more comic book-like. During the first season, there was a lot of more focus on GCPD with characters like Renee Montoya, Crispus Allen, Commissioner Loeb, and Arnold Flass involved. There were multiple plots going on that heavily revolved around the corruption within GCPD during Gordon’s first year. What captured fans' attention most were the various iterations of iconic Batman villains that were getting their origin stories through the FOX drama.

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Despite the grimmer tone of the police arcs, it didn’t connect with viewers as much as the villains did. Gotham came in 2014 which, for better or worse, was a different time for superhero and comic book TV shows. Had the series began as a full-on Bruce Wayne origin story when he was older, similarly to the 1999 WBTV pilot, Gotham would have lived up more to being a straight-on Batman prequel. Starting out right as his parents were murdered worked both for and against the show. Bruce’s journey got more meat to it the older he got, particularly throughout season 3-5; yet, despite Gotham seeing Bruce end up becoming Batman by the series finale, the villains were still the main pull of the series.

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Fox's Gotham Became More About The Villains (& Gordon)




It’s, without doubt, odd in some ways how so many Batman villains ended up existing prior to the Caped Crusader coming into play. But ultimately, the rogue’s gallery is what helped flesh out Gotham and introduce almost all of Batman’s most famous enemies. From the Penguin, Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Hugo Strange, the Court of Owls, Firefly to Ra’s al Ghul, Gotham used their 5-year run to give Bruce’s future enemies the spotlight in a way other Batman iterations haven’t. Some of them even became key to Bruce’s journey in the long run, like the Court of Owls and Ra’s. Because of their focus, it allowed the DC TV show to explore elements such as super-powers and magic that are part of Batman’s mythology. Robin Lord Taylor's Oswald Cobblepot and Cory Michael Smith's Ed Nygma were the two Batman villains whose evolution was followed throughout Gotham.

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Eventually, Gotham got to the point where Oswald and Nygma were its breakout characters, and they had constantly evolving arcs as a result. Gotham’s main character was James Gordon from start to finish, however, as he acted as the eyes of the audience. Through all the corruption that he faced at GCPD, Gordon's ultimate battle was about saving the police department's soul. As much as he served and protected Gotham City, Gordon's consistent series plot was to find a glimmer of light in the thick darkness that the GCPD was shrouded in. His relationship with Harvey Bullock became essential to Gordon's character development as the future commissioner became GCPD's moral center. There is a case to be made that Gordon was Gotham City's first hero before Batman was born, especially in the final season when the No Man's Land arc was adapted.

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Gotham Central's Story Differences Makes It More Real


Gotham Central is to this day one of DC Comics' most critically acclaimed book series by Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka, which is more or less influencing the HBO Max drama. Running for 40 issues from December 2002 to April 2006, Gotham Central explored the inside of the Gotham police force and the larger corruption that was at play. Even though Batman was involved, the Dark Knight was barley in the series. Given that it was a police procedural, it was a rare comic series since cops in the comic book world rarely get this kind of attention. With the various relationships that were explored as well as cases, Gotham Central is where Gordon, Bullock, Montoya, Allen, and more were given bigger statuses in the Batman lore.

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Brubaker and Rucka's series allowed the detectives and officers of GCPD to be humanized and seen from a new perspective. Gotham Central is in many ways even more relevant today — especially with the multiple real-life issues that society faces currently. As much as Gotham explored corruption within the city, there was only so much they could do, especially once they shifted the overall tone. However, with Gotham PD on HBO Max, it allows the drama to bridge with the real world as well as focus on the comic book nature in The Batman universe. Stories such as Montoya's getting-outed arc from Gotham Central and how she deals with it as a police officer is something Gotham PD can explore whereas FOX never did with their Montoya.

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There is no denying that Gotham was a successful series that added something refreshing and entertaining to the Batman franchise. Just because HBO Max is doing a DC TV show that also follows the GCPD, it doesn't take away anything that Gotham accomplished. However, it can't be ignored that the FOX drama had the chance to do what Reeves' series will now do, but they simply took a different direction. Even if Gotham PD also features a James Gordon who has yet to become commissioner, it's still a different incarnation who is a bit further into his career compared to McKenzie's Gordon in Gotham season 1. By the time The Batman hits theaters next October, more details will hopefully have emerged for HBO Max's Gotham PD
 
I'm really excited about it because it's being created by Terrance Winter. IMO he's the GOAT television writer, based on his work on The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire. The guy understands crime, drama, and blends it with humor.

I don't know if it says this in the main article, but Matt Reeves had stated that the lead character in Gotham PD is a crooked cop.
 
Gotham PD isn't connected to that other Gotham. It's a tie-in to The Batman with Robert Pattinson.

I'm really excited about it because it's being created by Terrance Winter. IMO he's the GOAT television writer, based on his work on The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire. The guy understands crime, drama, and blends it with humor.

I don't know if it says this in the main article, but Matt Reeves had stated that the lead character in Gotham PD is a crooked cop.

You guys are correct, I made the mistake that its the continuation of Gotham but rather that this new Gotham series will be grounded on reality like season 1.
 
This is going to be like anticipating C.O.PS., but getting Cop Rock instead
 
I enjoyed watching gotham 1 and 2 but stopped after 3 or 4 I believe. Probably will watch again if what you says happens.
 
Same with the Flash. Loved the first season and second but stopped after season 3 or 4 I believe.
 
Only seen gotham season 1 and a few episodes in season 2, it became too cartoony

Season 1 was good tho
 
I enjoyed watching gotham 1 and 2 but stopped after 3 or 4 I believe. Probably will watch again if what you says happens.

I hope so as well. I was extremely disappointed when they went for a cheap shock value of killing Don Maroni which effectively killed off Harvey Dents character appearance and development.

First season was so goddamn good!

It really felt like the sopranos mixed with CSI and other cop series. The dynamic was the mafias running shit and cops were dirt bags. Most villains were serial killers or corrupt detectives and mayor.

It was realistic enough for it to be a real life incidents. I liked how Ed was an examiner at the police station and Oswald was a white collar bookie working for a crime lord.

But out of nowhere they had to make these guys become riddler and penguin. Then they added mad scientist, resurrections, monsters, mind control and etc...

I watched it because the actors for Ed and Oswald were really good and it was a good campy fun.

Only seen gotham season 1 and a few episodes in season 2, it became too cartoony

Season 1 was good tho

I agree, season 1 was the best season by far and it was grounded in reality.

You had Don Maroni who was a blue collar boss like Tony Soprano that would hit the streets and was hands on with facilitating crimes. He was ill tempered at times but he had redeeming qualities in a sense that he punished his crew if they mistreated hard working civilians and was generous to many individuals even if they were just a dishwasher or a waiter.

You also had Don Falcone who was more of a white collar mafioso that used leverage to take advantage of the situation. He saw every single person as individuals who had their own strength and weaknesses regardless of their ranks. He was a bit presumptuous and naïve at times but overall he was well respected.

So basically both characters could have been real life mob bosses. Their behavior wasn't overly dramatic like a 90s action movie and their method was most part was discreet and sometimes imperfect which adds to realism of what happens in real life which is, things can go side ways and losses can occur.

Meanwhile, Oswald and Ed as well as other villains were using unrealistic plots that were over the top and it either failed completely or it was done perfectly without a single thing going wrong. Very cartoony indeed.
 
Didn’t even know there was an old one.
 
If it stays the same as Season 1 gotham

It's going to get pretty boring

#1 thing fans always ask for = the other Batman characters
 
Didn’t even know there was an old one.


It ran from 2014 to 2019. It did well despite filler storylines that contributed nothing to the storyline. Two characters were only good.

If it stays the same as Season 1 gotham

It's going to get pretty boring

#1 thing fans always ask for = the other Batman characters

Well that depends on expectation. If someone wants a more comic book themed series then yes it is going to be boring. But if someone wants a more mob/crime theme series then no its not going to be boring if storyline and character developments are good.

In season 1, we got a glimpse of Carmine Falcone's childhood and it was similar to the godfather which was a momentary flashback. Don Maroni had few moments that was like Tony Soprano and both mob bosses had redeeming qualities.
 
Gotham really fell off. Really hoping this one is better
 
I stopped watching Gotham after season 1. Arrow became so bad i also couldn’t finish that.
 
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