Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Cooliox, Jul 11, 2019.
Truth hurts, doesnt it, newb?
I think the mind games don’t work on real street guys like Maz. That talk was meaningless against Nate and likely would be the same against Maz.
I favor Maz everywhere besides his kicking, the rust won’t help Conor either. Mas by 2nd round sleeping
I'll pick against Conor against a strong submission grappler with decent stand-up. However I just can't pick against him against another striker. He's basically passed every test in that area. I'm sorry but I don't think gamebread is the caliber of striker that Jose or Max or Dustin are... He's got the one punch ko and Conor does get hit but I think Conor would beat him to the punch.
That said, if it was Conor's next fight I would probably pick street jesus because Conor's had 2 long layoffs, a lot of personal issues and was dominated in defeat by Khabib. There is no telling where he is at mentally or physically at this point. If he has a warm up fight and shows he's still himself then easy picking Conor IMO.
Anyone who says Conor is deluded and fanboying hard. Mas has a wicked chin and a ton of heart. He also scrambles his ass off when he gets dropped.
Comparing Conor's power to Tills is silly. Till is the biggest welterweight in the organization. He's damn near a middleweight. Conor's power hasn't shown to translate at all. Even when Jorge eats shots he sees them coming, he's remarkably calm in fire fights. When till dropped him he was smiling before his ass hit the ground. I don't see conor landing that left enough times to hurt Masvidal and Conor engaging in firefights in the pocket with Jorge like he did with nate is a bad idea because Masvidal isn't going to throw light, light, hard like Diaz does. He has the power to catch and hurt conor right off the bat.
Conor's left is always a good equalizer but Jorge has better fundamental boxing skill in my opinion. He also doesn't fade. Go watch the combo he knocked till out with. Absolutely beautiful. There's more to boxing than slipping a shot on a shorter fighter and countering with a straight left. That's Conor's bread and butter. Masvidal is exceptional at slowly adding one more piece to the puzzle in a way that most don't understand. Watch how he read cerrone, adapted and then slept him. Watch how he started to throw the combo on till in the first round. The knockout vs till was in motion for 3 minutes, most just didn't notice. He threw it multiple times before and when he saw Till finally really bite on it he switched stances as till expected the combo to finish and hit him with a hellacious shot. From a technical standpoint it was impeccable
I think Masvidal matches conor Standing in every department. See prince Naseem vs MAB to get a better idea of what I mean. If you say their standup is a wash and cancels out, Masvidal is bigger, stronger, meaner, hits harder, and doesn't fade. He's also not rusty and a much better overall grappler than Conor. Even if he doesn't sub Conor he will out position him all day
5 round fight Masvidal has conor panic shooting by the 3rd and subs or tkos him. Conor rolls with punches great while he's fresh but then just defense goes out the fucking window as soon as he can't hurt what he's swinging at. Masvidal is about it. Conor isn't.
Beating a midget in Eddie and eeking out a split against nate is Conor's best line of work recently. Masvidal knocked cerrone, Till and Askren out in the same time frame.
I'd legit fear for Conor if he took this fight and ran his mouth. Masvidal damn near killed Askren for pretty mild trash talk. Some guys fight poorly when emotional aka Aldo. Masvidal showed Saturday night that he keeps his strategy and IQ even when he's pissed off
Well significant advantage in cardio, slight edge in grappling. Conor isn't some white belt like you plebs make him out to be, his defensive grappling is on point. Masvidal isn't going to just take Conor down and maul him, it will be contested on the feet.
WW not sure, Masvidal? No Conor also.
Lol all of his losses by submission. Outstanding defensive grappling...
White belt poster, black belt post. Accurate on all points. Well done, mate.
These cunts who call themselves fanboys should actually study the sport and the fighters.
Doesnt matter. Conor would never waste his time fighting Mas. Mas is a nobody compared to Conor.
but if for some reason he did, yea Mas would win.
Masvidal by a brutal 1st round ko....I'm thinking a head kick...
At WW Conor weights no more than 167-171 lbs in the cage with a full belly.
But yeah a lot of guys drill and learn how to throw punches. Then they learn how to gauge the distance and step in and throw it. And good strikers learn the right punch to counter their opponents offense.
Conor does all that but then he also has the patience and awareness to not just throw the right shot but do it with his eyes wide open and on the target, aiming the whole way in.
Now that obviously wasn't the case against Khabib because he just couldn't get off his ass. Khabib smesh.
So that means his grappling sucks ? The only two in recent times to submit him are a second degree BJJ black belt who couldn't replicate it a second time and arguably the best offensive grappler at LW in Khabib. Conors grappling is competent, you jizz stains think because someone gets controlled or submitted by an elite grappler they're a white belt...it's embarrassing.
I actually was adding to it when you responded. Go read it now. I Cleaned it up a little bit
Comparing Darren Till to Conor is so strange. Someone who weighed 200lbs tagged him while he was also off balance lol and still couldn't finish him.
Anyways, he got hit with that left after and ate it. Jorge has one of the best chins + recovery in the sport.
At 155 it's still Jorge's fight to lose. He can take Conor down and beat him to shit if he wants to. He can tap him out if he wants to. He can beat him on the feet if he wants to. Conor is Conor. He's the first double champ in the UFC. He beat Jose Aldo in 13 seconds, but Masvidal is not a good matchup for him because his one path to victory can be nullified [the boxing battle could look like Prince Naseem vs Barrera if you're a boxing fan like the avy suggests], once that happens what is Conor gonna do?
Literally every aspect of this analysis is embarrassingly wrong and casual level
He's a solid brown. Defensively and positionally he's very competent and quite underrated. People who suggest otherwise probably don't or haven't grappled. It is what it is tho.
Everyone wants to paints a certain narrative when it comes to Conor, actual technical data is largely ignored. Him having shit wrestling, no grappling and cardio is just the low hanging fruit.
Masvidal would murder that little leprechaun bum, it wouldn't even be close.
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