Masvidal, Conor, GSP - Welterweight potential and the money fight division?

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  1. ApplesVild

    ApplesVild Brown Belt

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    Let's be honest, Masvidal is 2 and 2 in his last 4. Two dominant losses and two dominant wins... But his wins are over Till who fluked his way to an undeserved title shot and was out at casinos all night and stealing taxis in the run up to the Masvidal fight, also he was gifted the win over Wonderboy, close fight but most people had him losing. A great finish but against lower level competition and Masvidal got hurt and taken down in that fight. Then a win over Funky, come on now, Ben isn't UFC quality, padded record, one dimensional, total hype job.

    Masvidal is a lot like Cowboy. He gets a few impressive wins over lower level guys and people start to talk about how hes figured it all out, he's top level now, he's going to get the the title. Jumping the gun for sure. If Masvidal some how ends up in there with Usman he will get dominated, same as against Colby.

    He might get lucky and get someone closer to his level next like the winner of Pettis/Nate, those are at least competitive fights maybe even winnable. Maybe he gets the winner of RDA/Edward's, again those are more winnable fights but I would think he loses to either guy.

    Masvidal should call for the winner of Diaz/Pettis, if Conor's not coming back for that fight he probably gets it and with a win he'd have 3 in a row and may actually get a title shot. He would lose, but at least he gets to fight for the belt.

    Obviously Conor coming back at WW messes everything up for everyone. If Nate beats Pettis the chances of Conor coming back for the rubber match increase significantly. Say what you want but I think Nate beating Pettis and looking good doing it, then calling out Conor makes for a bigger and more hypeable fight than a Khabib rematch. Plus if they did it, and Conor beat Nate there is no doubt that if Coror wanted it they would give him a title shot at 170 based off of that win. Not saying he would deserve it all all, but it's the UFC and they are all about big fights and giving Conor titles.

    WW is getting very interesting at the moment, a lot of names moving up in weight, some amazing strikers there and some amazing wrestlers. You probably have the best and most exciting of both in that division at the moment if not very soon. Then you add in the extra power the light weights moving up can get at 170 and the chances of knockouts increase.

    There is potential of seeing at WW very soon a great mix of big names and some of the best fighters around.

    Usman, Colby, Woodly, Wonderboy, Till, Masvidal, RDA, Edwards, Nate, Pettis, Ponzy, Lawler, a return for Cowboy and then potentially Ferguson as he has spoke about it lately, Dustin if he loses his title shot has spoke about the light weight cut getting harder and harder, Conor possibly making a return at WW. Even guys like Kevin Lee, Chiesa being there now, Maia still winning fights.

    On top of that you have GSP hanging over the division and the possibility of a come back at any time, he maybe past his best but he was looking for that Khabib fight recently which means he does have one more in him at least. I don't think he would hesitate to come back for a huge WW return in a huge money fight against Conor or even someone like Nate. Fairly low risk high reward fights and probably two of the biggest money fights you can make in the sport at the moment.

    Is there anyone out there who wouldn't get excited for a Lawler vs Masvidal/Nate/Pettis/Ferguson/Conor/Dustin fight? And that's just one option, mix those names up any way you like and you have exciting just bleed wars.
     
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    GSP is retired
     
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    He wanted the Khabib fight and would come back for it, GSP is retired until the right fight comes along
     
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    Text way too long sorry
     
  5. ApplesVild

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    Cliffs - WW is good
     
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    I stopped reading when you implied a guy who’s 171 soaking wet fighting at welterweight.

    Also cliffs?
     
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    Conor has no business at 170 assuming he is still a cage fighter vs. a twitter fighter. Masividal is plenty good, not a fluke. Diaz will lose to Pettis.
     
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    Maybe not, maybe so. If Conor took the time to properly put on the muscle and adjust to the weight he could be effective at WW, there are guys his size and smaller who have had a lot of success at WW. RDA is small than Conor and hed top 5 at WW right now, coming off a win too.

    If Conor fights Nate again which is always on the table it probably will be at WW
     
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    With GSP retired the biggest fight for anyone at 170 is Colby.
     
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    RDA is top 5 because of his skill set not because of his size and he has one the main things Conor lacks, which is cardio. With the current crop of fighters at WW I don't think Conor would have success, too much fighters with a solid wrestling base and cardio and honestly I don't think Conors power would translate to WW, I could be wrong as we've seen with Pettis and Thompson. But I just can't see it with Conor he has no back up in terms of skills if he can't KO his opponent. As in he doesn't the wrestling or BJJ to threaten his opponents.
     
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    RDA has like 10-15 lbs on conor and cardio and wrestling. Imagine if he had none of those attributes and wanted to fight at WW.....that would be Conor
     
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    This really isn't about Conor, but since its became the issue... Conor can learn and add new tools to his game, he can improve his cardio and the fact is he can fight and would certainly be in the mix in the top 10 at WW. I'm not particularly a Conor fan but I don't know where this idea has come from that he has nothing to offer.
     
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    170 is filled with wrestlers who are bigger and stronger than Conor and his punching power is more likely to work at 155. If Conor’s cardio sucks at 155 it’s unlikely to get better when carrying 15 more lbs.
     
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    Jorge isnt a needle mover
     
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    Nate Diaz has never been ranked in the 170 division so that fight would prove nothing regarding Conor being effective at 170.
     

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