Marciano not the GOAT?

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  1. S.B.**

    S.B.** Banned Banned

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    Howdy Y'all

    Im really quite new to the world of boxing, and really enjoy reading the wealth of info in the "HW GOAT" thread. Plenty of names/ legends Im discovering

    My question, as a self confessed neophyte is: Why wouldnt Rocky Marciano feature higher on a lot of top lists, when he went undefeated? I know these kind of things are speculative and ambiguous but to me undefeated would have to equal GOAT.

    Was the calibre of competition simply not there in his era??

    This aint trolling and Id love a point in thedirection of a site where I could see some of the older era fights

    Thanks!!!
     
  2. as far as i'm concerned it's either dempsey or sweet pea.

    Note: i am irrationally biased.
     
  3. chino0503

    chino0503 Black Belt

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    well... he is from a era when the mob literally ran boxing.... and blacks were treated as unequal.
     
  4. Tobacco

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    Well, generally the criteria of GOAT involves longevity and quality of opposition.

    I think Marciano gets underrated by most, but he did have a relatively short span where he would be considered the king of the division.
     
  5. Greg House

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    Most overrated hw ever
     
  6. Hagler

    Hagler Man of wealth and taste

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    1- mob factor
    2- not the most technical fighter ever
    3- biggest names he beat were over the hill, came from LHW or both
    4- short era of dominance

    That being said, he's a an all-time Top 10 HW.
     
  7. BR

    BR Purple Belt

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    I thinks its because he beat guys who were over the hill. He's top 10 HW, but P4P, I'd say 35-40.
     
  8. Matt Hilton

    Matt Hilton Amateur Fighter

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    The guys he beat were over the hill, past their prime. He deserves credit for his toughness, and being an undersized heavyweight. But skillwise and accomplishment wise, I'd say its generous to have him even in the top 10 heavyweights of all time.
     
  9. ThirdPartyView

    ThirdPartyView Keeping Jack Dempsey from ducking

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    Nah, he did beat a number of great fighters and you can give him credit for the Walcott & Moore wins (since they had aged better than, say, Charles and Louis did and Moore in particular was still a dominant LHW champion entering the fight).
     
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    Well, I'll say this- Rocky fought much tougher competition than ANYONE named Buster, and this NEVER happened to him (mind you, mike is very young and in his prime here).​
     
  11. StillWill**

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    Nobody is claiming Mike is the best HW ever? I am very confused by your point.. it seems irrelevant
     
  12. YukisHeart

    YukisHeart Brown Belt

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    Now, I'm not quoting this to big up Dempsey. I'm quoting it to help illustrate that, even by the lights of people who were around during the high points of Marciano's reign, he wasn't thought of as the GOAT. In fact, from what I can see, he seems to have climbed the ATG ranks as first-hand memories of him have faded, leaving only the very impressive paper record to go on.

    I will say he was much slicker than a lot of people thought he was, though:

     
  13. Sharkey

    Sharkey Who finishes 3rd?

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    Marciano beat who he had to beat in the division at the time.

    He beat contenders like LaStarza, Layne, Savold and Matthews before he won the title. Joe Louis too was highly ranked at the time being The Ring's #2 ranked contender and the NBA's choice as the only "logical contender" at the time to Ezzard Charles.

    Marciano beat those guys, beat Walcott for the title, and then went on to defend it five times against fighters that were deemed the #1 contender at the time (Walcott, LaStarza, Charles x2 and Moore). The only fighter who wasn't the #1 ranked contender when Marciano faced him was Don Cockell, who sat in the #2 spot according to The Ring at the time of the bout.
     
  14. Astro Man

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    excellent video.
     

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