managers express concerns over bellator's sticky contracts

[jamesgalb]

that was the point of the article, once again it showed you didn't read it. these contracts are not standard as you claim, but the worst in mma.

do you just skim over this quote



or are you just going to pretend this quote isn't real?

The 'worst' no-compete contracts will always be with the top competitor to the king, no shocker... Quotes like this are coming from bitter managers who want to be able to join a Bellator tournament and then leave upon success...

Everyone has the choice to enter the tournament or not, no one is forced into it. When you join the tournament, you agree to represent Bellator. Period.

 

[jodka]

Another UFC paid poster pointing out the worst of Bellator..
How about cutting the wrong fighters, allowing Steroids, giving undeserved title shots & rant bad any organization that's doing good!!

You act like all of those rants aren't already happening in the UFC forum. Those rants are made every single day.

Also, Bellator does NO drug testing outside of commissions, unlike the UFC. Bellator picks and chooses who gets title shots, like the UFC. (They use a tourney as cover, but ignore it when they want to.) And they let Hector Lombard and Ben Askren go, their two best fighters, because they weren't exciting enough for them.

Both Orgs have lots of issues. Neither really gives a fuck about the fighters, both care about their bottom lines. It's okay to point out BOTH of their douchebag moves when they make them.

 

[EskiBhoy]

What way does this affect their pay?

Surly they get a big pay rise for each extension?

I like Bellator and would like UFC to have some legit competition (as it would force them to stack cards) but they are going to fuck themselves over with these contracts. They should just accept their position as a number two promotion like WSOF have.

Top young prospects are going to avoid Bellator because they dont want to be tied now. Its no suprise that MVP doesnt want to enter a tournament with terms like that.

The runner up for sure should not fall into this 'championship' clause.

 

[jamesgalb]

You act like all of those rants aren't already happening in the UFC forum. Those rants are made every single day.

Also, Bellator does NO drug testing outside of commissions, unlike the UFC. Bellator picks and chooses who gets title shots, like the UFC. (They use a tourney as cover, but ignore it when they want to.) And they let Hector Lombard and Ben Askren go, their two best fighters, because they weren't exciting enough for them.

Both Orgs have lots of issues. Neither really gives a fuck about the fighters, both care about their bottom lines. It's okay to point out BOTH of their douchebag moves when they make them.

I can agree with ALL of this.

(But I don't think a no-compete clause for only tournament participants is a douchebag move)

 

[Furious George]

You act like all of those rants aren't already happening in the UFC forum. Those rants are made every single day.

Also, Bellator does NO drug testing outside of commissions, unlike the UFC. Bellator picks and chooses who gets title shots, like the UFC. (They use a tourney as cover, but ignore it when they want to.) And they let Hector Lombard and Ben Askren go, their two best fighters, because they weren't exciting enough for them.

Both Orgs have lots of issues. Neither really gives a fuck about the fighters, both care about their bottom lines. It's okay to point out BOTH of their douchebag moves when they make them.

Hector Lombard wasnt exciting enough? The thing surrounding him and his UFC run is how he was blasting guys in Bellator and can't do it in the UFC. Hector was not a boring fighter.

Cliffs of his Bellator fights, which were all wins.
KO in 1 min
Ko in 6 seconds
KO in less than a minute
Decision win to Storm
3rd round KO
2nd round KO.

Is his entire Bellator career off the top of my head. I've no idea why they let him go but it's not because he's boring

 

[aker2703]

The 'worst' no-compete contracts will always be with the top competitor to the king, no shocker... Quotes like this are coming from bitter managers who want to be able to join a Bellator tournament and then leave upon success...

Everyone has the choice to enter the tournament or not, no one is forced into it. When you join the tournament, you agree to represent Bellator. Period.

i done responding to you because there is no point. No matter what i or others say, we will never change your view, because you are so biased that facts are totally irrelevant to you.

it is like trying to have a serious debate with a rock, and you Sir are the rock.

keep on nuthugging son..........

 

[jamesgalb]

Hector Lombard wasnt exciting enough? The thing surrounding him and his UFC run is how he was blasting guys in Bellator and can't do it in the UFC. Hector was not a boring fighter.

Cliffs of his Bellator fights, which were all wins.
KO in 1 min
Ko in 6 seconds
KO in less than a minute
Decision win to Storm
3rd round KO
2nd round KO.

Is his entire Bellator career off the top of my head. I've no idea why they let him go but it's not because he's boring

And Alvarez will likely be gone next year...

CRAZY How the people held down tightest by these insane contracts, can still find their way out of Bellator at the end of the day... These contracts are not for eternity, they are few a few years of 'representing' a brand you intend to boost your image with, and are perfectly understandable...

 

[jamesgalb]

i done responding to you because there is no point. No matter what i or others say, we will never change your view, because you are so biased that facts are totally irrelevant to you.

it is like trying to have a serious debate with a rock, and you Sir are the rock.

keep on nuthugging son..........

You just want there to be some insane outrage over something that most reasonable people can understand, and it angers you that this isn't taking place. Sorry mate.

 

[DeathIsHere]

How about cutting the wrong fighter

Like Ben Askren? Oh wait, that was Bellator. My bad.

allowing Steroids

Bellator and UFC allow the same amount of steroids, zero. They don't make those decisions.

giving undeserved title shots

Michael Chandler's automatic rematch to get the belt off Eddie? King Mo being thrown into every tournament possible until he managed to win one? These ring a bell?

rant bad any organization that's doing good!!

Kinda like Bjorn trashing the UFC at every opportunity he gets, right?

Another UFC paid poster pointing out the worst of Bellator..

To sum this up, go look in the heavies. There are plenty of people trashing the UFC for their dumbass mistakes (cutting Shields, Fitch, and Okami, giving Diaz and Sonnen title shots, things they actually deserve to be criticized for) but Bellator is no better than the UFC and shouldn't be protected from criticism because it's not UFC.

They have a history of being shady as hell with their contracts, go look at the nightmare Jonathan Brookins went through after he won TUF or the shit they tried to pull with Tyson Nam that had other promotions offering the guy legal help. Just because they're competition to the UFC doesn't mean we should overlook their mistakes and shady practices.

You're just as bad as the people you think you're talking to.

 

[aker2703]

You just want there to be some insane outrage over something that most reasonable people can understand, and it angers you that this isn't taking place. Sorry mate.

yep that is it exactly. fucking idiot.

 

[MrKilroyT]

And Alvarez will likely be gone next year...

CRAZY How the people held down tightest by these insane contracts, can still find their way out of Bellator at the end of the day... These contracts are not for eternity, they are few a few years of 'representing' a brand you intend to boost your image with, and are perfectly understandable...

Do have any clue the amount of BS that Alvarez had to go through to get a contact that didn't have all this "champion clause" crap in it?

 

[mindturking]

i found this in the comment section over at bloodyelbow http://thefightscene.com.sg/the-hard-truths-of-mma-pay-disparitie​s/ that's why Brian Rogers didnt fight on that card... that's fucked up ... its hard not to call bellator scumbags

 

[Bigj383]

Another UFC paid poster pointing out the worst of Bellator..
How about cutting the wrong fighters, allowing Steroids, giving undeserved title shots & rant bad any organization that's doing good!!

Cutting the wrong fighters like Sultan Aliev, and even not being to resign their WW Champion...

Allowing steroids something Bellator won't even test for unlessed forced to do so by a comission (UFC tests every event) and only doing the minimum required testing by law.

Undeserved title shots like Bret Cooper (coming off a loss), Pat Curran (Coming off a loss), Anthony Leone (Coming off a loss), Now they are saying chandler (Coming off 2 Losses) may get the title Shot over their Interim champion Brooks. Speaking of Brooks lets talk about unecessary interim titles, Bellator has had 3 interim champions in the last 7 or 8 months.

Bjorn is the king of talking shit about his competitor. He talks about people coming off losses getting title shots... then he gives people coming off losses title shots. He keeps claiming they win in the ratings, they don't. Bjorn takes a jab at the UFC every time a mic is in his face. He talks about meaningless fights on PPV he headlines with King Mo vs Rampage and tried to headline with Tito vs Rampage.

 

[greatsantini]

If you don't know how the Muhammad Ali Act isn't applicable to MMA, since promoter and title are not separate in MMA, then I cant help you...

Outside of the Muhammad Ali act working to separate promoter and title (something which fundamentally cant be done in MMA without removing both the UFC and Bellator), the act was mainly made to give the Fed and State the authority to step in if they see something is 'unfair'. Its an extremely vague acts designed almost solely for this purpose.

But in terms of the Muhammad Ali Act separating the promoter from the title and its accompanying contracts, the entire sport of MMA would have to be reworked and both the UFC and Bellator taken down... MMA is VERY different.

These contracts are standard, in both MMA and in any line of work across the entire world... If you think these contracts are 'shady', then you are simply uninformed if you aren't just looking for something to hate.

The very first item listed under the purpose of the Ali act was (1) to protect the rights and welfare of professional boxers on an interstate basis by preventing certain exploitive, oppressive, and unethical business practices;

These are not standard contracts in the real world. The clauses here greatly resemble that most famous unconsionability case, Williams v. Walker-Thomas Furniture. These contracts allow for the infinite tackling on of obligations.

The problem is no fighter is going to challenge these contracts as the Fight Lawyers noted, "To challenge Bellator's restrictions a fighter will need money and time (neither are in abundance in the sport at most levels and especially with a 90 day exclusive negotiation period with Bellator) to litigate these issues."

 

[FootstompShonie]

Obvious you can get out of the contracts. See Lombard and Askren.

UFC has contracts that are just as restrictive.

The amount of hate Bellator gets is insane.

Lol Askren essentially got cut. Bellator didn't sign him when his contract was up. Also Bellator could have matched the UFC contract that Lombard got and kept him stuck in his contract.

This contracts are insane, they are no where close to UFC contracts in restrictiveness. No fighter can have their contract extended over and over and forced to stay. Once the number on fights on your contract are up you have full right to leave. Even if you won every one and are the champion.

There are tons of other details as well but you'd realize that if you actually read the OP.

 

[FootstompShonie]

i found this in the comment section over at bloodyelbow http://thefightscene.com.sg/the-hard-truths-of-mma-pay-disparitie​s/ that's why Brian Rogers didnt fight on that card... that's fucked up ... its hard not to call bellator scumbags

Wow that's sickening. Bellator cuts your pay if you don't sell enough tickets? That's ridiculous. Paying someone $400 is laughable.

People like to make fun of UFC fighter pay but their lowest is 8k/8k meaning even if you lose you're getting paid 20x a low ranked Bellator fighter.

 

[mindturking]

Wow that's sickening. Bellator cuts your pay if you don't sell enough tickets? That's ridiculous. Paying someone $400 is laughable.

People like to make fun of UFC fighter pay but their lowest is 8k/8k meaning even if you lose you're getting paid 20x a low ranked Bellator fighter.

truly some fucking scummy shit. its all kinds of screwed up over there i hope mvp dont get caught up in that shitstorm of a org

 

[RoflcopterMMAF]

This is actually kinda bad because the fighters end up getting screwed in terms of compensation with all of these automatic extension clauses. The UFC ship jumping is just a small part of the equation, how about potentially going 10 fights or 4-5 years without being at a negotiation table. Then again I've never understood why fighters continue to sign with Bellator

 

[Pride4life]

Cutting the wrong fighters like Sultan Aliev, and even not being to resign their WW Champion...

Allowing steroids something Bellator won't even test for unlessed forced to do so by a comission (UFC tests every event) and only doing the minimum required testing by law.

Undeserved title shots like Bret Cooper (coming off a loss), Pat Curran (Coming off a loss), Anthony Leone (Coming off a loss), Now they are saying chandler (Coming off 2 Losses) may get the title Shot over their Interim champion Brooks. Speaking of Brooks lets talk about unecessary interim titles, Bellator has had 3 interim champions in the last 7 or 8 months.

Bjorn is the king of talking shit about his competitor. He talks about people coming off losses getting title shots... then he gives people coming off losses title shots. He keeps claiming they win in the ratings, they don't. Bjorn takes a jab at the UFC every time a mic is in his face. He talks about meaningless fights on PPV he headlines with King Mo vs Rampage and tried to headline with Tito vs Rampage.

What a shitmove you take.
Bret Cooper replaced injured Doug Marshall & Anthony Leone replaced injured Silva.. this shows clearly your hate against Bellator.. yes they are paying you hard to look over this forum and create hate vs other org not named UFC..
and about the Steroids, Ufc time & time again pardons convicted Steroid users, since they are suppose to be the Role Model of Org. in MMA.
Meaningless fights are Sonnen vs Wanderlei.. 2 washed up fighters who gets a tuf show and main event not to mention that fake street fight.. *roll-eyes*
Statistical view Bellator gives title shots more deserved than UFC.. you and I know this.
I won't even mention convicted criminal Mr.Sonnen! yet other fighter got cut because of criminal history.

 

[RoflcopterMMAF]

No idea how Lombard got out but you know full well they didn't want Funky and would have let him go for anything.

They didn't match.