Discussion in 'Worldwide MMA Discussion' started by CardinalAqua, May 20, 2014.
the article delves deep into the matter
definitely check it out
lol and that's why I hate it when Bjorn tries to act like a nice guy. At least with Dana he acts like the dickhead we know he is.
what if you win the tournament on your last contracted fight and then won the title in your next fight that took place 6 months after you won the tournament, would that person's contract be extended a second time after winning the belt?
Its only a clause that fight managers and fighters do not like, if they intend to simply use Bellator as a stepping stone into the UFC...
Simple solution. If your ultimate goal is to get into the UFC, then don't go for the Bellator title or join a tournament...
Managers and Fighters just want a situation where they can go for the Bellator title with the sole intentions of dropping it for the UFC once it is earned... I don't blame Bellator for not allowing that.
Cant have your cake and eat it too (never understood that saying, but it applies).
PLENTY of fighters have fought in Bellator, elected not to join a tournament, and then moved on to another promotion after... Joining a tournament is a CHOICE to become a LONG TERM Bellator fighter. NO ONE is forcing anyone to make the personal decision of joining a tournament.
Fighters/Managers want a situation where they can win a Bellator title or tournament, and then count the days till they can move on to the UFC. Nope. Wrong. Go fight for WSoF or Titan in their bi-monthly cards, and drop their title after you win it....
they add up
Just call it the Anti-UFC clause cuz thats what it is.
Honestly I wish these people would learn to coexist...
Fighters have to be insane to sign with them at this point. They are basically signing away their career.
Fuck those contracts man, they're worse than old school boxing/por pramuk contract.
Wow, the only thing I liked about Bellator's contracts was that the fighters seemed to be able to negotiate what they were worth because of the UFC being able to bid on them.
So does this mean it makes that a hell of a lot harder now?
Obvious you can get out of the contracts. See Lombard and Askren.
UFC has contracts that are just as restrictive.
The amount of hate Bellator gets is insane.
if you can read the full article without any bias and not go WHOLLY FUCK!!!!!!!!! please explain to me how.
shocking contracts are shocking.
That said, if you have a stupid manager/lawyer, and sign a stupid contract like this.....tough shit to you.
if you sign a contract that allows multiple extensions of 18 months (article says up to 4) and have a champion option of up to five fights.....then you are fucked if you want to leave Bellator.
an original 6 fight 2 year contract, could go as high as 17 fights and 8-10 fucking years.....yes that is not a typo.
no they don't, that is the point of the article. so i guess you didn't read the article and just made a comment.....well done i guess.
and boom goes the dynamite... hopefully that stops the pending retarded messages that would have followed that one..
If you eat your cake it will be gone. Therefore you will no longer have it. Basically some things you can't have both ways.
The biggest problem I have is the cumulative clauses. With their format they require a tournament + 18 months and if the win the title + 18 more months. That's a 3 year extension for a guy like Will Brooks.
Could UFC buy the cotnract of a Bellator fighter paying money to Bellator, like soccer clubs do with players under contract with other teams?
This isn't new...and champions and tournament winners should have an extension clause. Runner ups should not.
Someone in the first page nailed it. Don't sign a contract if you just want to get on tv a few times and get exposure...potentially gain legitimacy by winning their tourny and then think you deserve an out clause. And bellator the bad guys? I doubt luca brasi was present at the negotiations.
you are forgetting is that at the end of that 3 year extension, if he is still champ they have a "Five fight Champ Option" which if he wins all five fights extends his time by 2 years minimum.
so he could be extended 5+ years on his original contract. and that is just wrong.
it is possible, Bellator bought out Matt Riddle's (legacy or Titan not sure) contract shortly after his UFC release. But i doubt that the UFC and Bellator would be able to come to an agreement on such a deal.
i think that Bellator structuring the contracts this way was to stop fighters going to the UFC. Not as a way to make money out of the transfer as such.
one 18 month extension is fine. are you really cool with 3 or 4. if Douglas Lima has this clause in his contract, are you cool with him being extended (2 tourny finals and now champ) so 3 x 18 months......really? plus 5 possible option fights after his contract finally ends? really?
Also, the extension for being "runner up" in a tourney is laughable.
At least if you are champ or tourney winner, there is an argument that Bellator has built your name up. (Though I don't think that's worth much, especially just being a tourney winner.) However, being runner-up in a Bellator tourney means almost nothing to the outside world. Locking you to extensions based on that is just ridiculous.
All that said, adult men need to act like damn adults. How people sign contracts without an attorney is beyond me.
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