Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by Stuckey1, Jun 22, 2008.
Didn't see anything in the FAQ...what are the benefits to taking a magnesium supplement?
Magnesium in Biology
Uses for Magnesium
subtle, I see what you did there...
Magnesium is just as important as calcium for strong bones.
Magnesium will give you rock hard erections.
Magnesium is HIGHLY underrated IMO.
I agree. We use it for so much it is ridiculous, and the average diet barely contains any magnesium. It always makes me feel damn relaxed when I take it, too.
I'm surprised you trust me at all anymore
It's not a flashy supplement, not even as flashy as whey protein, but when it comes to improving your overall well-being, it is topped by fish oil and very little else.
How many mg are you using a day?
I've been using this for the past year and a half. What do you think?
Pure Essence Labs
Usually a serving of ZMA+whatever is in my multi, and I got out of my way to eat mg-rich foods. I occasionally use a magnesium citrate or oxide supplement as well/in place of. The citrate is very bioavailable and you don't need to take near as much to feel the effects.
Ionic Fizz? It sounds like a gimmick to me, promoting better absorption. In the supplement facts label it just lists "ionic" as the form, not something like citrate or aspartate. Without more info, it's hard to give an opinion on it.
I guess what sold me was the bond with HCL, betaine which is imperitive for absorbing minerals. Or is that false?
Would you mind taking a look at this?
Magnesium dietary supplement in Ionic Liquid form.
"Nano particle magnesium was developed by inspiration from God. This product started out as a mistake but it turns out the mistake was a turn of heavenly guidance. When development began on this product, strange events took place inside the research containers being used for this formulation."
I'm going to go out on a limb here(ha!) and say this stuff is a waste of money. At the very least, I'm be happier spending my money elsewhere, and not fueling the religious zealots selling nutritional supplements. I have no idea if "ionic nanoparticles" make magnesium more bioavailable than forms like citrate or aspartate, but I'm guessing "No".
ZMA formulas contain Mg aspartate, and decent multis should contain either aspartate or citrate; oxide is one of the LEAST bioavailable forms:
[SIZE=+1]Magnesium bioavailability from magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide.[/SIZE]
Lindberg JS, Zobitz MM, Poindexter JR, Pak CY.
Center for Mineral ****bolism and Clinical Research, University of Texas, Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas 75235.
This study compared magnesium oxide and magnesium citrate with respect to in vitro solubility and in vivo gastrointestinal absorbability. The solubility of 25 mmol magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide was examined in vitro in solutions containing varying amounts of hydrochloric acid (0-24.2 mEq) in 300 ml distilled water intended to mimic achlorhydric to peak acid secretory states. Magnesium oxide was virtually insoluble in water and only 43% soluble in simulated peak acid secretion (24.2 mEq hydrochloric acid/300 ml). Magnesium citrate had high solubility even in water (55%) and was substantially more soluble than magnesium oxide in all states of acid secretion. Reprecipitation of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide did not occur when the filtrates from the solubility studies were titrated to pH 6 and 7 to stimulate pancreatic bicarbonate secretion. Approximately 65% of magnesium citrate was complexed as soluble magnesium citrate, whereas magnesium complexation was not present in the magnesium oxide system. Magnesium absorption from the two magnesium salts was measured in vivo in normal volunteers by assessing the rise in urinary magnesium following oral magnesium load. The increment in urinary magnesium following magnesium citrate load (25 mmol) was significantly higher than that obtained from magnesium oxide load (during 4 hours post-load, 0.22 vs 0.006 mg/mg creatinine, p less than 0.05; during second 2 hours post-load, 0.035 vs 0.008 mg/mg creatinine, p less than 0.05). Thus, magnesium citrate was more soluble and bioavailable than magnesium oxide
Umm, I guess I didn't notice the religious verbiage. Many apologies as I find a hole to fill with my embarrassment.
From now on I will be more thorough with my efforts to waste your time.
Thanks for the clarity.
From what I understand, we (humans) have a difficult time recognizing (absorbing) all minerals due to them being high in molecular weight and particle size. Is that correct? I have a hard time believing that we can absorb such a large molecule efficiently enough to supplement with it, which is why I was turned on by the "ionic" thing.
I have heard some in the industry say that we in the western world have lost the much of the necessary enzyme HCL due to lifestyle, starbucks, stress, over-stimulation, lack of sleep, etc.. Betaine being what breaks down those large minerals.
Do you have a comment on that, or corrections?
Thanks in advance.
Lol, Chad - I hope you can forgive me for having a giggle at the religious content of what Mike just highlighted. On a serious note, I really need to start taking more magnesium as I don't feel I get anywhere near enough from my day to day diet. I'm really tired so I'm gonna read this thread properly tomorrow, it's lost on me right now.
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