Magician's of the Gods: Hancocks New Human Civilization Book

[andnowweknow]

So, I was forwarded this from a friend in NC who attended this event at Greensboro College. I enjoyed the presentation and am looking forward to reading the new synthesis work of Graham Hancock regarding pre-history in terms of active civilization and the extent of it. Anyway, it's worth a watch.

Of course Graham, being particularly bitter about the chiding he received from academia for Fingerprints of the Gods throws out a few particularly juicy opinions on topics we really can't ever know the truth about without a time machine it seems...namely, at 33 minutes in, he talks about levitation of blocks to build the pyramids at Giza...whatever, though I might add that our current understanding, and my own personally after having read opinions from actual stone cutters from the Indiana limestone quarries regarding their opinions on how it would be done and in what time throws into question seriously the common time frame of the great pyramid being done in 20 years (during the lifetime of Khufu) at the very least.

Updates to Fingerprints include, at this point, Malta (we now have t shaped megaliths in malta that mirror those at Gobekli Tepe, the oldest known human site in the world, older to Ancient Egypt than Ancient Egypt to us), Baalbek, sites in indonesia (west java...at least 9k years old and as old as 20k years!...not Hancocks view, a mainstream archeologist Danny Hillman), gobekli tepe (Turkey)...at 59 mins, you will notice the suggestions that Easter Island belly hands resemble those at Gobekli tepe, and stunning actually) as well as more commonly known research regarding possible impact events that may have ended the last ice age.

Hope someone enjoys it or has some insight they'd like to share regarding the topic.

 

[andnowweknow]

Just finished the book (Magicians of the Gods), which I believe comes out here in the states officially Nov. 10th. I got the UK version, same book, different cover.

My take on it:

-The beginning is riveting stuff regarding the new, and importantly in context, mainstream viewpoint that as many as a few dozen cometary fragments (some in the range of a kilometer wide) hit the earth 12,800 years ago which if you accept, becomes the exact catalyst for the extinction of more than half the worlds large animals at that time...and must have really done a number on humanity, which Hancock uses as a reasoning for his "mother culture" being largely anonymous to us today as they were properly fucked by the disaster almost to the point where we may have been close to extinction ourselves.

-The stuff on Baalbek Lebanon is more than interesting, definitely worth reading. The history of the temple of Jupiter is gone into in detail as it was used as a military fortress for hundreds of years. He focuses a lot on the trilithon, seemingly immovable blocks in the walls. Worth the price of admission.

-The Gobekli Tepe stuff is interesting just because it's the oldest megalithic site in the world by more than 5k years, and it's on the scale of about 20 stone henges.

-There is a lot of speculation outside of the above with coincidences and this overarching theme of the "Seven Sages" wisdom carriers. Not as compelling as the stuff above.

Main take away is that if there was a high civilization around the end of the last ice age that had existed for a long time prior that was basically wiped out, the events that cause it were more than enough to leave us almost zero trace of it. That doesn't mean it ever existed, but it does mean there is now an event that we have solid science on that could cause an event so terrible as to almost make us extict.

What this book brings up to me is mainly this:

Our understanding of human history beyond 12,800 years ago has to be completely thrown out, because up until 2007 it was based on information that DID NOT include the single greatest extinction event and world changing event since the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. How the fuck can you think you know anything if you have missed that?

 

[andnowweknow]

at 59 mins, you will notice the suggestions that Easter Island belly hands resemble those at Gobekli tepe, and stunning actually

 

[andnowweknow]

at 33 minutes in, he talks about levitation of blocks to build the pyramids at Giza...whatever, though I might add that our current understanding, and my own personally after having read opinions from actual stone cutters from the Indiana limestone quarries regarding their opinions on how it would be done and in what time frame, throws into question seriously the common time frame of the great pyramid being done in 20 years (during the lifetime of Khufu) at the very least. The estimate is 27 years alone to cut and quarry the blocks for the great pyramid with MODERN TOOLS.

 

[andnowweknow]

69 minutes in lol "what are these figures holding in their hands?...not...rayguns"

always appreciate Graham's slights against the wacko alien crowd

 

[andnowweknow]

1 hour 14 minutes: 14,900 years ago, we were hit by a comet. Bang. Species with Amnesia.

 

[andnowweknow]

1 hour 18. The mystery of the man bags lol...pure genius, maybe extrapolation, but interesting for sure. Bizarre similarities.

 

[Troublesome10]

I've never actually read one of Graham's books, which is surprising considering how many of his lectures and radio interviews of his I've listened to. Like the guy very much, and I'm very interested in alternate views of human pre-history. I will definitely watch this presentation later.

 

[andnowweknow]

I've never actually read one of Graham's books, which is surprising considering how many of his lectures and radio interviews of his I've listened to. Like the guy very much, and I'm very interested in alternate views of human pre-history. I will definitely watch this presentation later.

If you're into fiction at all, with a non-fiction bent, check out War God...awesome violent retelling of the conquest of america, albeit a bit at the author's discretion.

In terms of non fiction, othodox historians don't like him to some extent but he is very thorough and well researched, his endnoting and footnoting of sources is pretty rock solid, and his opinions are just that and clearly stated, which I find nothing wrong with...IE, he's not stating opinion as fact.

the most known Hancock book is Fingerprints of the Gods of course, you can get it anywhere. Earth crust displacement may be bullshit, but the sheer amount of facts and mythology as well as precessional knowledge put into that book makes it a landmark in archeological synthesis. He's a master at compiling relevant data in a readable form for the layperson.

 

[Troublesome10]

If you're into fiction at all, with a non-fiction bent, check out War God...awesome violent retelling of the conquest of america, albeit a bit at the author's discretion.

I actually listened to him give an interview on Red Ice about War God a couple months back and it sounded like pretty riveting stuff, I've been meaning to give that a run through. They didn't have a paperback available in Canada at the time. I rarely read fiction but it seemed to be up my alley anyway.

In terms of non fiction, othodox historians don't like him to some extent but he is very thorough and well researched, his endnoting and footnoting of sources is pretty rock solid, and his opinions are just that and clearly stated, which I find nothing wrong with...IE, he's not stating opinion as fact.

the most known Hancock book is Fingerprints of the Gods of course, you can get it anywhere. Earth crust displacement may be bullshit, but the sheer amount of facts and mythology as well as precessional knowledge put into that book makes it a landmark in archeological synthesis. He's a master at compiling relevant data.

I have no problem with speculation within reason; it is part of scientific discovery, and I'm glad there are people not constrained by the orthodoxy of academia willing to go where others dare not- it's inevitable with this type of material. It's the details more than overall conclusions of these types of books that I am generally attracted to. Another guy who does this "high-octane speculation" very well is Joseph P Farell.

Anyway, I'll check it out thanks.

 

[blink_man182]

I have Fingerprint of the God's sitting right next to me actually, can't wait to give it a read. I have a few other books on the docket before I get to it though.

 

[andnowweknow]

I actually listened to him give an interview on Red Ice about War God a couple months back and it sounded like pretty riveting stuff, I've been meaning to give that a run through. They didn't have a paperback available in Canada at the time. I rarely read fiction but it seemed to be up my alley anyway.



I have no problem with speculation within reason; it is part of scientific discovery, and I'm glad there are people not constrained by the orthodoxy of academia willing to go where others dare not- it's inevitable with this type of material. It's the details more than overall conclusions of these types of books that I am generally attracted to. Another guy who does this "high-octane speculation" very well is Joseph P Farell.

Anyway, I'll check it out thanks.

I would not compare Farell to Hancock in terms of thorough research, though I see your point, and more to your point, the details are what really matter. As long as the progenitor of an idea is being honest and sincere and factual, you are free to draw your own conclusions, regardless of the sizzle of theirs.

 

[andnowweknow]

I have Fingerprint of the God's sitting right next to me actually, can't wait to give it a read. I have a few other books on the docket before I get to it though.

It's a very easy read...and it plunges your general thought process into a different place in terms of where you come from and our species has been. I've read dozens and dozens of hard to filter non fiction books, and there aren't many more influential than Fingerprints, not to mention Hancock can actually fluently write.

 

[andnowweknow]

I went to the 33minute mark for the levitation technique you mentioned and he said something about Egyptian priests "singing" the blocks into a place and it had a cartoon picture of 2 skinny brown guys seemingly holding up a massive boulder with 2 bo staffs.

Would you be able to explain to us how you would sing a block into place? I'm receptive but he says very little in the video you posted

lol...no, I wouldn't. However, being a person who's watched a LOT of Graham Hancock and read all his books, I will say he's prone to saying stuff to rile people up at some points, which I explained in the op. There are accounts of this "levitation" and "acoustic technology" in Egyptian lore, however I don't think taking it as a literal "sing" or "song" would be wise, and I don't think he's really meaning that. He says clearly afterwards as I recall what we're talking about is a certain 'technology' we don't currently have...this doesn't mean anything beyond that. There are literally MILLIONS of possible contraptions and forces we don't have power over at this time in history (even though we may be very advanced in some areas), it could be any one of them, or...he might be wrong. Metaphor is everywhere in ancient writing and Hancock is jaded so he throws it out in peoples faces cause he really doesn't need to prove anything, he is a massively successful non fiction author.

 

[andnowweknow]

I looked up Hancock on Wikipedia because Im not that familiar with his books and it says he believes everything came from 1 mother culture. Does he talk about that a lot in his books? Is he talking about Atlantis or lemuria or something?

he never really ascribes a "mother" culture, and wiki is suspect sometimes, but...He's most well known for Fingerprints, his bestseller on the origins of civilization. I wouldn't do it justice to explain it here, you should just read the book honestly or listen to one of his hundreds of lectures on it. Basically he believes there was a remote third party civilization that distributed knowledge to our known ancestor civilizations and that that third part civilization, a maritime one, was wiped out in large part by the cataclysm of the end of the last ice age combined with the mini ice age the younger dryus.

 

[Big Burly]

I read Fingerprints. Damned excellent read. It gets a bit tedious at times, with the explanation of precession, but it really makes you think.

I then read Robert Bauval's Orion Mystery, and then Robert Schoch's Forgotten Civilization.

Now I am reading Hancock and Bauval's The Message of the Sphinx.

Some truly fascinating stuff. The one that gets the most "out there" is the hardest true scientist in the bunch, Robert Schoch. He doesn't take the building of the Sphinx or Great Pyramid back as far as Hancock, but he goes even farther into the possibility that our Sun has caused humans to once have the power of psychokinesis, but after the last big sun issue we lost that power. Wow. He does make you kinds think that maybe there is a universal frequency that can be tapped into in order to accomplish seemingly impossible physics feats.

 

[andnowweknow]

Does he have a theory about where this maritime culture had their island or whatever? And if there were any survivors of the cataclysm, where they went?

yes, a quite large theory. They weren't an Island, thought there may have been islands affected by the cataclysm. They went a lot of places, anywhere you see pyramids basically on planet earth...however, if you are inclined to learn, you can go to Hancocks books or you can PM as to what other specific topics you want to learn about.

 

[andnowweknow]

I read Fingerprints. Damned excellent read. It gets a bit tedious at times, with the explanation of precession, but it really makes you think.

I then read Robert Bauval's Orion Mystery, and then Robert Schoch's Forgotten Civilization.

Now I am reading Hancock and Bauval's The Message of the Sphinx.

Some truly fascinating stuff. The one that gets the most "out there" is the hardest true scientist in the bunch, Robert Schoch. He doesn't take the building of the Sphinx or Great Pyramid back as far as Hancock, but he goes even farther into the possibility that our Sun has caused humans to once have the power of psychokinesis, but after the last big sun issue we lost that power. Wow. He does make you kinds think that maybe there is a universal frequency that can be tapped into in order to accomplish seemingly impossible physics feats.

schoch is a geologist, one who has made a lot of fame from bringing the sphinx dating to light. He may be right in his solar outburst book, in fact, that probably is a reality of the situation here on earth (see the carrington event). However, it would be different if graham or ja west wrote it than Schoch. I respect Robert Schoch, but I think he has overstepped his bounds a little.

 

[andnowweknow]

can you imagine the lulz to be had if we (the average person in modern society) had that kind of power? People would be getting pwned like crazy lol.

society would be different in the first place, why would you think that? In order for enlightenment for the masses, we need an enlighted structure. We have nothing liek that. As an authority, I would give you power if I know you were equipped to deal with it.

 

[andnowweknow]

When you say enlightenment, do you mean some sort of spiritual enlightenment? Or technological enlightenment? Or something else?

what do you think?

 

[highkicknomore]

Worst thread ever.