Jesus, you're really stuck in your philisophy aren't you? You still won't admit that you cherry picked and made your references like an idiot. You argue like a 13 year old. He actually considered Brandao, a Jiu Jitsu fighter, as a Muay Thai fighter. Now you're backtracking with your "I train with boxers but my style isn't boxing, UNDERSTAND?" :icon_chee
MMA and K1 has proven time and again that traditional Karate doesn't work and all those who have it as their base still need to learn Muay Thai and Boxing.
Look at GSP. He has a Karate base then realized it wasn't enough. Now he flies over Muay Thai trainers from Thailand, learns boxing with Roach and improved his wrestling to the point that he outclasses his opponents that themselves have a wrestling base.
You also can't read properly and have reading comprehension issues when I clearly said in my previous post that a combination of Muay Thai and boxing is the more effective rather than just a pure Karate base.
You're too damn adamant in your "It's in the fighter, not the art" philosophy.
You only need to look at the Samurais in this respect. They were better soldiers and warriors in comparison with the peasant soldiers but when matchlocks made their way into Japan, the great Samurai fell in droves to simple farmers. Arming yourself with outdated and irrelevant techniques will always end badly.
I bet you think Shaolin monks are effective in a fight!
The fact that the UFC was created so the Gracies could show that their BJJ was that much better than most traditional martial arts should clue you in. If you're a real fan of MMA you would've understood by now that it was meant to showcase styles and which ones would the most effective. Time and again, as I and everyone else have mentioned, traditional Martial arts just don't work that well.
Good lord, you're being ignorant, lol. When did I backtrack? You completely missed the point of my boxing comment... it flew right over your head; I've said time and time again, ALL styles have to mix together and make the individual fighter the BETTER ALL AROUND fighter. You keep bringing up Brandao as if that's the ONLY example I used, lol. I used several different examples. Want another example? Anthony Pettis crushed, Cowboy Cerrone. Are you gonna act like Cerrone didn't have YEARS of Muay Thai experience? How about another one?
Mike Winkeljohn, one of the most well known striking coach in MMA, has a ton of experience in Kenpo karate (he used to kickbox in PKA competition back in the day.) Does that mean that his knowledge is useless? Clearly no, because he's helped a shit ton of fighters improve their skills. Or are you gonna pretend like he's a pure Muay Thai coach?
Why do you think guys like Conor have been so successful? Because he understands that the more creative and unorthodox a martial artist is, the more dangerous he can be. The gracies started getting their ass kicked because for years they were too close minded to learn any other arts. It happens to all martial artists at times; when you think you know everything about martial arts, you become stagnant in your growth as a fighter.
Brandon Vera was a huge prospect for Muay Thai as an MMA fighter, and he had excellent coaches. He didn't exactly become a legendary champion, did he?
According to your logic, that must mean Muay Thai is garbage. See how stupid that sounds? Once again, it's up to the FIGHTER to make skills come alive. Timing, distance, sparring, footwork, and drilling are important factors in ALL martial arts, regardless of style.
By the way, I don't know why you keep bringing up Shaolin Monks. We were talking about Karate in MMA, not Shaolin monks (that's a whole other massive topic to cover, and has nothing to do with the current topic at hand.)
Good luck in your training, you're only hurting yourself if you keep a closed mind.
