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Machida has to KO Weidman if he wants to win.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Just The Facts, May 17, 2014.

  1. Just The Facts Blue Belt

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    When was the last time you saw anybody lose a championsip belt via decision in a close fight? Lyoto knows this himself; he benefitted from it when he got the decision over Rua in their first fight.

    I sometimes wonder if Sonnen would have got the nod if he had evaded the triangle from Silva (HYPERBOLE!!). Only two I can recall offhand were Benson over Edgar and before that Edgar over Penn.

    So Lyoto can forget about point fighting strategies. He will more than likely lose the grappling aspect, and even if he outstrikes Weidman, anything that is in the realm of a close fight will go toward Weidman.

    So that leaves him knocking Chris out or submitting him.

    Given that, I would say being a 2:1 underdog doesn't sound unrealistic.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Megatronlee Red Belt

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    Well I don't think that's true
     
  3. Fbed Luna Belt Platinum Member

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    I got Machida keeping the distance and outpointing Weidman. Can' t really see a decision. But thats just me
     
  4. Corleone187 ㄥ8ƖǝuoǝlɹoƆ

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    Whats the line? I think 4 sure Machida will win via running away and I highly suspect that Weidman will be a HUGE favorite after looking at the ridiculous MMA odds which are always out of touch with reality like the Glover line being so close and the the Matt Brown line which was literally retarded
     
  5. minicooper99 Blue Belt

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    Weidman via TKO/GnP in te second. Machida's bike can't go fast enough to stay out of te mix.
     
  6. ectera Purple Belt

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    dead @ the thought of Machida KOing Weidman sounding "unrealistic"
     
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    Dis.
     
  8. Just The Facts Blue Belt

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    Where did I call it unrealistic??
     
  9. Johnny Drama Brown Belt

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    Machida has the style to beat Weidman.
     
  10. IDGETKTFO White Belt

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    Machida only out points washed up has beens. New up and commers like Phil davis beat him handily in points. His only option is a flash knock down followed by strikes and an early ref stoppage.
     
  11. Just The Facts Blue Belt

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    That's the point of my post; no one has ever won a title fight by running and point fighting. If you are the challenger and want to win you have to either finish your opponent or completely dominate him. That's just the reality, fair or not.

    Right now weidman is about a 2:1 favorite.
     
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    Frankie beat bj the first time in a close decision using his bike
     
  13. ectera Purple Belt

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    aren't you implying that because Machida is an underdog it's "unrealistic" for him to get the finish? if not i misunderstood.. my bad.
     
  14. FEDORRULEZ Black Belt

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    the other way around
     
  15. ColombianFist "Trane UFC, Bro"

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    Weidman gets the clinch and takes pitter patter machida to the ground. Tko in 4th
     
  16. Got GOAT Banned Banned

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    Lyoto lasting 5 rounds with Weidman is unlikely. Either he finishes Weidman or gets finished himself. The latter is likely what will go down due to how dangerous Weidman is with his grappling and striking (GnP included). He's also bigger, stronger, more powerful and has a longer reach. Weidman's fight IQ, creativity, confidence and heart might be his biggest assets though aside from being very well-rounded with absolutely excellent timing, very good footwork and defense (submission & striking).

    Weidman via (T)KO inside 3 rounds. I already have a sig bet on the winner with LambChopChamp. :icon_twis
     
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    This is true....whether he can implement it is another animal...
     
  18. DeathxxMetal Purple Belt

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    I find it astonishing that people forget Machida's exceptional TDD that kept him on his feet for the majority of his run...to becoming and as a champion....in a higher weight class....against larger men. Weidman's wrestling is great but I don't think for a second he'll be taking Machida down at will. That's just silly, gentlemen.

    Truth be told, this fight is quite even across the boards but I still give Machida the edge because I think he dictates where the fight takes place. If his TDD holds up, I don't see Chris having more luck in the standup. If not...well, we will see how good Machida's BJJ really is.
     
  19. Just The Facts Blue Belt

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    No what I'm saying is that since Lyoto has fewer "win" options than normal (he can't rely on a close decision to go his way in a title fight in which he is an underdog), that I understand why he is an underdog.

    If it was a non-title fight he would have a better chance; but in this instance he is going to be forced to take more risks. He would be less of an underdog if this was a title eliminator....
     
  20. Corleone187 ㄥ8ƖǝuoǝlɹoƆ

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    Yeah it kinda sucks how he runs away all the time but there's nothing Weidman can really do to him

    Betting the house of Machida for this is the easiest money you'll ever make. Ever.

    You can get to Machida if you have cage generalship but Weidman doesn't really have cage generalship, he'll need to trap Machida which he won't be able to do.
    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ring_generalship

    Jones for sure has cage generalship and Shogun a bit so it helps them

    The fight will really be lopsided
     

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