LOST revisited

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  1. SamSchmidt

    SamSchmidt Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    Ok so I just rewatched all of LOST.

    When this show first came out, I remember not ever wanting to watch it because I was being a contrarian and didn't want to jump on the hype train.

    So after the series ended a few years later I binged it on Netflix. Damn I loved the first few seasons and was instantly hooked.

    But as we all know they were writing by the seat of their pants so to speak and the later seasons got a bit muddled because of that, then the ending which pretty much everyone hated.

    I am rethinking my opinion of the later seasons and the end now that I had time for hindsight and retrospective analysis of the show while following along with the rewatch and understanding things more clearly the second time around.

    If you guys hated it the first time around, try it a second time, you might be surprised.

    I like the ending alot more now than i did the first time around, and to illustrate this point I really think this Analysis here is spot on:

    The show repeatedly hammers home the idea that peoples' belief systems are created by their relationship to their parents.

    Jack is compelled to fix things through sheer force of personal agency because his father told him he doesn't "have what it takes". Locke desperately needs to believe he has a destiny because he craves a cosmic father figure after his own scammed him out of a kidney. Both fathers are conmen, even if Christian Shepherd had the ostensibly noble motive of giving his son the drive to succeed. Like the historical John Locke wrote, people are all born as blank slates, with our parents as the authors of our personalities.

    As the show wears on it becomes apparent that two godlike figures, Jacob and his brother, are playing a cosmic game, with the castaways as pawns. Through unfathomable rules these beings appear and, like conmen, psychologically manipulate the pieces to get them to act according to some ineffable stratagem. The remote and aloof Jacob pushes people into Jack's path while staying removed and letting Jack figure things out for himself, which is all Jack wanted in a father; the Man in Black, meanwhile, is constantly encouraging Locke to embrace his destiny as a savior and as a messiah, which is all Locke wanted in a father. These cons/games may seem cruel and callous, and yet the Island's mysterious golden heart appears to be safe and everybody appears to have worked out their psychological issues. So, are Jacob and the Man in Black ultimately good, evil, or merely mortal men with godlike powers playing out a petty sibling rivalry?

    The answer is that there is no answer. There are as many individual rubrics and value systems for deciding 'meaning' as there are human beings. The only constant is this world we share, and the actions we undertake.

    It is a person's emotional baggage that shapes their view of that world. An ambiguous situation may be accepted as proof or rejected as a liesaccording to whatever filtering system is bubbling under a person's conscious mind. The central theme of the show is dealing that baggage, because it makes a person vulnerable and easily deluded by charlatans, shamans, and con men. Something the historical John Locke also had quite a bit to say about.

    The show's ambiguity is meant for the audience just as much as it is the characters. Recall the final scene, where Jack reconciles with his father under a stained glass window with different religious symbols all radiating out from a central, archetypal light. Just like The Hero with a Thousand Faces speaks of the world-soul and the navel of the universe in vague terms to encompass all the different cultural variations on the archetype, the show dresses up its archetypal story of conflict between fathers and sons, heroes and gods, and free will versus destiny with allusions to mythology, religion, and popular fiction.

    By not limiting the story to a set "answer", it frees the story to become anything and everything a viewer can see in it, like a Rohrschach test [Spoiler\]
     
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    Vitor CroCop Right Wing Liberal Banned

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    yabut how does it compare to GoT
     
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    Cuel And Lewk Mr. Cool Hand Luke Ice

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    i personally loved the entire series.
     
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    Dallas > Lost
     
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    SamSchmidt Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    I hold them both up as two of my favorites.

    I can't really compare the two.

    I think that some people might be uncomfortable watching Lost because of its psychological aspects, forcing people to think about their shortcomings in life and how they project that outwards onto others.

    I mean it's alot easier to list your strengths than your weaknesses, some people just plain won't do it, or gloss over some of them especially when talking to other people about it. And that is basically what the show boils down to, whereas GOT is more court intrigue and who you are in the dark.
     
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    I saw the first two seasons of "The leftovers" from the same writer and it was excellent.
     
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    Revolver you sound poor Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Lost is one of the top 5 GOAT shows of all time.
     
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    loyalyolayal Steel Belt

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    I can no hespect this:

    https://www.bustle.com/articles/585...going-on-in-this-show-either-that-explains-so

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    The 1st couple of season were one of the best until you learned they're just trying to make it as ridiculous as possible with no logical explanation/exit plan for their bs.
     
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    The early seasons of Lost with the mystery of the island and the slowing revealing backstories of the major characters was week to week must see.
     
  10. Fork

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    definitely a great show, and i like the analysis a lot.
     
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    The last few seasons were absolute garbage. I couldn’t bring myself to watch it again to be honest.

    They had something great for the first few seasons and then totally blew it.
     
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    loyalyolayal Steel Belt

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    Any fan's analysis of the show post-mortem is like science and dr. spaceman.

     
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    A.A. Riggs SAXOPHONE

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    Yeah, Petey's got a similar story and I don't buy either one. It was a great series and enormously fun to gossip about.
     
  14. SamSchmidt

    SamSchmidt Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    Yeah I sort of regret missing the cliffhangers for this show. But that shit would have driven me nuts waiting a week to see them finally get into the Hatch. Even more so than the GoT cliffhangers
     
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    LOST is the show that got me into binge watching shows. I never bothered with any highly hyped shows until I was uber bored and decided to give Lost a try, maybe 2 years ago.

    Damn, did I get hooked. I watched the entire show in maybe like 10 days, if that. And then the ending............brutal.

    The first like 80% of the show is GOAT television. the last 20% really brings it down from a 10/10 to an 8/10
     
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    Fox by the Sea Lighthouse keeper Platinum Member

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    LOST is GOAT show to binge watch. it just has that binge-watch energy to it.
    evangeline lilly and maggie grace were at their peak in it, goddamn
     
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  17. Fork

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    i think there's plenty to go on throughout the series to make good analyses.
     
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    loyalyolayal Steel Belt

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    Yeah. That's what the writers did. They just keep throwing crumbs that leads to nowhere and let armchair philosophers have at it.
     
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    hahaha yeah, i know that that's a common opinion, but it's not one that i share.
     
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    SamSchmidt Brown Belt Platinum Member

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    Don't forget Juliet
     

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