Discussion in 'Strength & Conditioning Discussion' started by ShotokanSuppes, Sep 10, 2010.
In combined bench, squat and deadlift?
While you are probably correct in a direct manner, you are most definitely wrong in an indirect manner. Increased flexibility helps you prevent injuries while training. Lack of injury means more time to train, and more training (if done the right way) will help you reach your 1200+ goal.
What we are trying to explain is that yoga is only going to be providing significant strength gains if the practitioner of said yoga is relatively weak.
I brought up college athletes as contrast to college "couch potatoes" in your "proof" that yoga gives strength gains. Had those participants already been involved in legitimate strength training programs, I do not think those numbers would have been the same.
I think you were correct in telling TS that his weight issue was mainly due to a diet with too many calories, and he needs to be in caloric deficit. Telling him to run, also good advice.
I do not agree with the lifting program you offered to TS. something like SS would likely get him better results than "you want to keep the weights low to moderate, and keep the reps high, in the 12-20 rep range. And you also want to keep moving. You want to move from one exercise to the next, and keep your heart rate up. I would also recommend picking up yoga. It's a great workout, it burns calories and it tones muscle."
What we are trying to explain is that the workout you offered is far from the most efficient one to reach his goals of losing weight and building strength.
I would agree with you. I certainly never said that you are going to get stronger by leaps and bounds by doing yoga. However, TS pretty much said that he is an out-of-shape former athlete that is attempting to get back in to shape, which is one reason I thought yoga could help him. Besides the strength benefits, someone that is getting back in to shape could probably use some added flexibility to prevent injury.
Finally, I see yoga as something like swimming. Though I don't have a scientific study to back it up, I think yoga (like swimming)uses a lot of the little muscles that sometimes get neglected when limiting oneself to traditional weightlifting. Again, this is only my opinion.
Colonel, i think you make your case well and that you have probably been misunderstood and somewhat vilified for your use of the word "tone".
I also think that your beginning statement "yoga increases strength" is wrong and that is what is getting you the most heat right now. The kind of strength we mostly debate on this forum is sheer amount of exerted force on any object relative to our position; IE, if we are at a disadvantageous position and exert force we have "functional" strength and if we are in an advantageous position and exert extraordinary force we have just plain "strength". What you are talking about in terms of tiny muscles and so forth is what we would call "balance", and nobody is disputing that yoga gives you great balance.
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