Long Time Boxer SayF,owner of Ummah Fight Camp breaks down why Conor CAN BEAT Floyd. 60/40 for Conor

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  1. SkillsPayTheBills

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    Good video.


    Now heres my own little mini-breakdown. Enjoy: )

    The reach advantage Conor would have over Floyd would be another huge factor

    A lot of people dont realise how important reach was to Floyd

    Floyd avoided a chinney Khan just because Khan had a long reach

    Floyd even had more reach and height then Canelo for crying out loud

    You will notice that Floyd NEVER fought anyone with more reach then himself

    Think about all the times Floyd was bullying around a significantly shorter armed fighter. When their return fire would barely miss Floyd by centimeters and Floyd would counter off it safely from his range.

    Now imagine Conor in those same situations with his freakish long arms

    Those punches from Conor dont miss Floyd by a centimeter...they land, and Floyd's counter responses will miss (also due to the fact Conor has a modified karate stance where his head is a little further back)

    You see one of the things that IS universal across all combat sports IS understanding of distance - and Conor has a flawless understanding and command of distance

    Not only that, Conor IS aware of all the set ups and tricks Floyd uses...because Conor utilises the same setups and tricks

    Here is Conor utilising the same pull away counter set up via distance deception, that Floyd does

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    Look how Conor is leaning his head forward off the center line to appear as a closer target, and draw out the jab, which is the typical response in southpaw vs southpaw or orthodox vs orthodox engagements

    Conor then pulls back and counters


    This means every time Floyd is trying to set Conor up with distance deception, Conor WILL INSTANTLY see it from a mile away, avoid it, and or shut it down - because multiple forms of distance deception are huge staples of Conor's game too

    I can even see Conor throwing out a bait shot to lure Floyd out for the pull away counter, Conor then changing head slots, and then instantly coming up with the real shot to counter Floyd's counter

    Its exactly how Marcos ROCKED Floyd

    So Floyd HAS BEEN OUT-SMARTED before by boxers who were not known for being smart

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    Marcos throws out the bait jab to lure Floyd into his pull away counter attempt, Marcos instantly changes head slots then comes with the right straight to counter Floyd's attempted counter

    Floyd was BADLY OUT SMARTED by a brawler right there. Floyd was made to look like a fool by a brawler right there


    We also know with Conor being a southpaw that Floyd shoulder rolling would put him in direct line of the left

    BUT Floyd when facing southpaws rarely ever shoulder rolls

    Against southpaws Floyd typically likes to work behind a high guard, establish the jab, and time right straight leads

    Here are the problems with that against Conor:

    1. Conor is longer with more reach and wont be controlled on the outside with jabs

    2. Conor, like Floyd, is amazing at giving different looks, switching things up and switching speeds and tempo

    This is why fienting never works against Conor, despite fienting usually being the solution against your normal average counter strikers....this is why fighters struggle to ever time Conor consistently

    Just as hard as it is to time Floyd, its just as hard to time Conor

    Floyd spent his career avoiding other great counter strikers for a reason.

    Conor WONT be stepping in predictably to be timed by right leads

    And Conor also LOVES to counter the right straight from orthodox fighters...so it gets very interesting stylistically

    Floyd jabbing would also leave him open to Conor's split entry counter lefts

    A split entry counter left is when you are pre-emptively moving your head side to side (or when you take your head off the center line to the outside shoulder of the jab hand) and then just as the jab comes kwhile your head is off the center) you simultaneously shoot the left-straight, under the jab, splitting it, hence it being called a split entry counter

    Manny Pacquiao despite being MUCH SHORTER with much less reach then Floyd, had tremendous success against Floyd via countering Floyd off his jabs

    Manny ROCKED Floyd several times with split entry counter lefts

    Here was this one too

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    Many simply is planted in a high guard, waiting for the jab, blocks it, parries it, and then shoots the counter left as Floyd is vulnerable and not in position to defend

    Conor is a superb counter striker period...

    And Floyd consistently jabbing will give Conor countering oppurtunities regardless of how great Floyd is

    The ONE time Floyd ever fough a southpaw who could counter well, was Zab Judah.... and Judah was badly out boxing Floyd until Floyd had to dig deep to adjust and pull out the win

    The thing is, Conor was a LEGIT amature boxing champion FROM IRELAND. Thats legit as fuck. Ireland is right up there pound for pound with Cuba when it comes to pure skill based boxing

    Conor simply DECIDED TO NOT persue boxing any further

    It was Conor's choice not to....

    Conor wanted to persue MMA where there were more options to be free in attack etc

    Conor has a LEGIT ass boxing base, but with enough added UNCOVENTIONAL ADDITIONS, that he could genuinely catch Floyd off guard and surpise him


    How is Floyd going to react to somebody with the footspeed and ring cutting of Conor

    (Even the great Manny Pacquiao was not a good ring cutter - just foot speed)

    Someboy whos long, and fights long and who has more reach like Conor

    Someobody who boxes from a modified karate stance like Conor, that Floyd has never seen before in his life

    Somebody who has all the unconventional and unorthodox qualities to stump Floyd YET still has a legit boxing base and is a superb counter striker

    Somebody who has THE REAL confidence of Conor, who wont be intimidated by Floyd, and who will look at Floyd like hes genuinely an inferior piece of shit - like Conor will look at him like

    People are going to be very suprised

    All the ingredients are there for the biggest upset in human history

    And who knows what would happen if Conor took a year off to just improve his boxing, while Floyd continued to get older

    Remember though, Conor just going to decision with Floyd would be a victory in itself

    Conor landing shots would be a victory

    And CONOR WILL LAND big shots on Floyd

    Floyd would likely decision Conor, but dont be suprised when Conor makes it very difficult for Floyd...or if Conor actually does it - and knocks Floyd out...

    Regardless Conor isnt going for any moral victories. He will be coming to win

    Floyd is the best match up possible for Conor in boxing...

    A passive puncher with a low work rate who CAN NOT HURT Conor, whos a counter fighter just like Conor is (both utilise the same set ups) yet Conor is longer, more reach, has a legit boxing base z but yet is also uncoventional and unorthodox enough to stump Floyd

    Hopefully youve been learned now

    More and more from the boxing world are coming out and saying that Conor would actually be a lot of trouble for Floyd

    Yee have faith in Lord Conor for thou not truly understand what thy Lord Conor is truly capable of
     
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    Long Time Boxer SayF,owner of Ummah

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    I can't believed you typed all that nonsense. I stopped reading after you said Floyd ducked Khan lol
     
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    MMA fans who dont know shit about boxing, will shamelessly RIDE Floyd, thinking that that somehow makes them appear "more knowledgable" about boxing, or "cooler"

    They probably have never even seen any of Floyd's fights PRE-Oscar, before Oscar made Floyd famous

    They dont even know that WWE writers created Floyd's whole money gimick, and that Conor is far more original

    Never mind that Floyd is corny and akward, while Conor is FAR FAR FAR more charismatic with far more wit

    They never saw Floyd vs Chop Chop Corely or Floyd vs Judah

    Corely is as gatekeeper as it gets, and he almost KOd Floyd on 3 spereate occasions

    Floyd HAS BEEN HIT and ROCKED PLENTY OF TIMES

    Floyd is NOT untouchable, and CONOR KNOWS IT and truly believes it

     
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    Floyds best fight ever was against the 5'10 slugger Diego Corrales
    And I saw the Judah and Chop Chop fight. Both rocked Floyd once
     
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    Looks like Boxingislife is back.
     
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    I leave a parting message

    "Yee have faith in Lord Conor for thou not truly understand what thy Lord Conor is truly capable of"
     
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    Conor has no chance in boxing, of course PBF been rocked a few times but its very rare that he gets hit flush at all.
     
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    Did you not read?

    REACH

    Floyd still had the reach advantage over Correlas

    Its absurd how long Floyd's arms are

    Floyd has NEVER fought anyone with more reach

    YET Conor has MORE REACH then Floyd

    Thats HUGE

    Conor has an X-men like reach

    Also Corely nearly KOd Floyd on 3 seperate occasions

    And Judah dropped Floyd once with a right check hook and then later hurt Floyd with a straight left
     
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    Diego had a 1" reach advantage 73" vs 72"
    Floyd has never been almost KO'd. His glove touch the canvas in the Judah fight. Mosley had him the most hurt I think I have ever seen
     
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    Well put...

    Now show me the times that Floyd lost.
     
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    The point is Conor does have a chance against Floyd

    In fact, Conor has a FAR greater chance boxing with Floyd in a ring, THEN Floyd would ever have striking with Conor in a full on pure kickboxing striking contest

    Conor>>>>Floyd. Conor could do far better with Floyd at Floyd's own game of boxing, then Floyd ever could against Conor in MMA or kickboxing
     
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    Floyd is way smaller, retired and like 40. If Conor is such a great boxer he should challenge a notable name that actually still fights. But he would get destroyed because he has limited combos and poor footwork and head movement.
     
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    I really don't know what's going on here. You sound like you want to sound like you know about boxing but you're saying conor has a chance under boxing rules? Conor needs to get his cardio in line first. Chris van heerden (who that fook is that guy) was giving conor that WORK in sparring. Mayweather would torture conor under boxing rules.
     
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    Both train strength & cardio etc but in regards to combat:

    Floyd has spent:
    • 100% of his time training boxing, since at least '93 when he won Golden Gloves at the age of 16 and has like 140 boxing matches, over around 25 years since McGregor was like 3 years old at most. So lets say 25+ years of boxing at a super high level.
    McGregor has spent:
    • 16 % of his time training BJJ
    • 12 % of his time training Muay Thai
    • 9 % of his time training Kick Boxing
    • 11 % of his time training Judo
    • 8 % of his time training wrestling
    • 7 % of his time training Karate
    • 6 % of his time training Capoeira
    • 8 % of his time training Taikwondo
    • 20 % of his time training Boxing (being generous here)
    • 3 % of his time training Touch butt in the park with that dork, and dancing and doing animal moves and acrobatics & gymnastics.
    Since 2008, so like 6 years, of which a small percentage is boxing. Lets say a year and a half of boxing all added up.

    So..... 25+ years of constant training & high level competing in boxing versus 1.5 years, fuck it lets even say two years or broken boxing training mixed in with other training & NO boxing competition.

    I think it's quite reasonable to think Floyd would win. It's even a little bit silly to think McGregor has a mediocre chance. Yes he has a chance but jeez, it's small.
    Don't get me wrong, I like McGregor, and anything can happen, and he IS a talented striker, and he would kill him with ease under any other rule set of combat or no rules at all, and I don't like Mayweather, and he is a piece of shit, and although boxing is beautiful I don't like it, but tell me, how does McGregor win?
     
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    Thats actually false. Correlas had a 70 inch reach
    http://boxrec.com/boxer/6722

    Floyd still had 2 inches of reach on Correlas

    Conor would have 2 inches of reach over Floyd himself

    If the glove touches canvas its a knockdown period. Judah knocked Floyd down

    Also almost KOd him on his feet with a straight left

    Go watch the Corely fight, Floyd was badly hurt multiple times
     

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