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  1. ShinkanPo

    ShinkanPo I am done with Love I don't believe it.

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    This is just a complete mess!!! I heard they are making people leave the compromised apartments until they can change the cladding.
     
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  3. ShinkanPo

    ShinkanPo I am done with Love I don't believe it.

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  4. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    British authorities ran their tests and came to a shocking conclusion: cladding with plastic cores would burn like a matchstick, just like their manufacturer said they would.

    Now the British government is trying to convince the public that the U.K's fire safety rule is not as pathetic as their residents have complained for decades, and no doubt will try to place the blame on the American manufacturer for exporting to the U.K a product that was well within British laws and regulations.

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    U.K. Officials Said Material on Tower Was Banned. It Wasn’t.
    By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK | JUNE 19, 2017

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/world/europe/uk-grenfell-tower-london-fire.html
     
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  5. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Citing “inconsistency of building codes across the world”, Arconic pulled Renobond PE cladding from shelves worldwide

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    The company that manufactures an element of the cladding believed to have contributed to the rapid spread of fire through Grenfell Tower has pulled the material from sale around the world.

    Arconic said on Monday that is was discontinuing Reynobond PE, panels that are combined with insulation to form cladding that was revealed as flammable in the wake of the blaze that killed at least 79 people in west London.

    The firm said it had stopped global sales of the material for tall buildings over concerns about the “inconsistency of building codes across the world”. Reynobond PE, one of several options offered by the company and not the most fire-retardant, has been banned for use on towers in countries including Germany and the US, but not the UK.

    The manufacturer said in a statement: “Arconic is discontinuing global sales of Reynobond PE for use in high-rise applications. We believe this is the right decision because of the inconsistency of building codes across the world and issues that have arisen in the wake of the Grenfell Tower tragedy regarding code compliance of cladding systems in the context of buildings’ overall designs. We will continue to fully support the authorities as they investigate this tragedy.”

    The company emailed clients on Monday to tell them it would no longer sell Reynobond PE to buyers planning to use it on tower blocks. It said this would apply globally due to the difficulty of being sure that its material would be used in a way compliant with building regulations in multiple countries.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ing-linked-to-fire-pulled-from-sale-worldwide
     
  6. Armbars

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  7. ShinkanPo

    ShinkanPo I am done with Love I don't believe it.

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    Cant they count the number of missing? What about the list of residents?
     
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    Grenfell tower fire and Portugese wildfires : how long before Jihadis start setting fires to forests and buildings? Like stabbings and using vehicles as weapons, setting fire is very easy compared to bombings and can be done easily by lone wolves.

    9/11 was quite predictable because plane hijackings were well known , so it was only a matter of time before planes were used like suicide car bombs. Plus in the late 90s a Dutch cargo plane crashed into a block of flats destroying a large part of them and killings dozens.
     
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  9. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    The article he posted made it very clear.

    "Visitors" is ofcourse a euphemism for both the friends and families who came over to hangout on that faithful night, as well as people who aren't authorized to actually living there but moved in anyway with someone they know.
     
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    The problem is that a number of the flats were (illegally) sublet, so there isn't an true record anywhere of who actually lived in the building. They have just announced an amnesty on the illegal subletting if the sublettor lets the authorities know who was living there. I think that's the right idea, the subletting is a minor issue compared to identifying all the deceased.
     
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  11. ShinkanPo

    ShinkanPo I am done with Love I don't believe it.

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    This is what I am saying in the Manila Casino a lone loser idiot was able to kill up 36 people by just firing rifle rounds in the ceiling terrifying people into hiding in rooms and then setting the place on fire trapping them.

    imagine if there are at least two attackers and they really fired on the people that Casino attack could have been much worst. Terrorist are taking notes from all these mess that is happening all the world.
     
  12. Fritzl's Basement

    Fritzl's Basement Your mother sucks cocks in hell

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    The rules say to stay put in case of a fire.
    That's really ... mind numbing
    "Be satisfied with little reliable information as you calmly wait to possibly burn to death or run out of breathable air, don't move or try to escape"
     
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  13. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Grenfell Fire Inquiry Opens Amid ‘Sense of Anger and Betrayal’
    By DAN BILEFSKYSEPT. 14, 2017

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    Flora Neda, in a wheelchair, a survivor of the Grenfell Tower fire, arrived on Thursday at the inquiry into the deadly blaze in London

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/world/europe/uk-grenfell-fire-london.html
     
  14. Fedorable

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    incredulity noted.
     
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    no. they have to try to identify them all first. The count and lists of residence can help with the identifying.
     
  16. Arkain2K

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    Botched refurbishment fuelled Grenfell Tower fire, says leaked report
    Analysis for Met police reveals deficiencies beyond flammable cladding and insulation
    Robert Booth | Mon 16 Apr 2018

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    The Grenfell Tower fire in June 2017 claimed 71 lives.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...l-tower-fire-inadequate-claims-insures-report
     
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  18. Arkain2K

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    Grenfell Fire Inquiry Demands Radical Overhaul of U.K. Building Rules
    By Richard Pérez-Peña | May 17, 2018

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    LONDON — Britain’s building safety systems are a lax and confused mess in need of a major overhaul and much tougher enforcement, an investigator commissioned after the Grenfell Tower disaster reported on Thursday, but she did not recommend banning all flammable facades, a critical factor in that fire.

    The report drew swift rebukes from survivors of the fire, which killed 71 people, and from Labour members of Parliament, who have demanded a ban on flammable cladding of the sort used on Grenfell Tower, a move the Royal Institute of British Architects has also endorsed. That cladding has long been prohibited in the United States for buildings above a certain height, and in some places it is banned entirely.

    Judith Hackitt, the engineer commissioned by the Conservative government to conduct the investigation, acknowledged the need for “a radical rethink of the whole system and how it works.” But she also maintained that her mission was to assess the big picture, not myriad individual rules. As a result, her 159-page report did not address specific changes people have called for, like a cladding ban or requiring sprinklers and multiple fire stairs in high-rise buildings.

    “This review is a betrayal and a whitewash,” said David Lammy, a Labour lawmaker who has become an outspoken government critic. “It is unthinkable and unacceptable that so many people can die in a disaster like Grenfell and one year on flammable cladding has not been banned.”

    Shahin Sadafi, chairman of Grenfell United, a survivors’ group, told the BBC that he was “disappointed and saddened” but would keep pressing the government for a ban.

    Despite the criticism, Ms. Hackitt’s report amounted to a striking indictment of property developers and related industries, and the officials who police them. The rules and practices for high-rise apartment buildings, in particular, she wrote, have put the quest to get things done “as quickly and cheaply as possible” ahead of safety while letting owners skirt even the inadequate standards that exist, with little fear of being caught or punished.

    The fire at Grenfell Tower, in the North Kensington section of London, on June 14 last year, was a trauma felt nationwide — the deadliest blaze in Britain in more than a century, in a high-rise where residents’ complaints about unsafe conditions had gone unheeded. It prompted sharp debates about the government’s long retreat from business regulation, and about the yawning gap between rich and poor who are sometimes neighbors in this city.

    The country has a tangled mix of systems governing building materials, design, construction and maintenance, and a jumble of weak enforcement bodies. That, Ms. Hackitt reported, allows builders, landlords, materials suppliers and even government regulators to pass off responsibility onto each other — to the point that they often do not understand or even read the rules they are supposed to be following or enforcing.

    Ms. Hackitt, a former chairwoman of the Health and Safety Executive, a government agency, expressed particular scorn for certain elements of government oversight.

    “Where enforcement is necessary, it is often not pursued,” she wrote. “Where it is pursued, the penalties are so small as to be an ineffective deterrent.”

    And the testing and approval of construction materials, a critical issue in the Grenfell fire, “is disjointed, confusing, unhelpful, and lacks any sort of transparency.”

    She recommended creation of an agency, focused at first on residential high-rises, that would assume all the government roles, make standards f tougher and clearer, and greatly step up enforcement and penalties.

    Those shifts would require action by the government. A spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May said the government would make needed reforms, but did not commit to any specifics.

    The new system should not be built solely on a thicket of narrow rules, Ms. Hackitt argued, because a legalistic adherence to those rules could still result in buildings like Grenfell that were unsafe. Instead, she wrote, the system must start with the big picture, stating the required safety results — like how much time people have to get out of a building — that must also be met. A structure that complied with the detailed rules but still did not meet the safety goals would not be approved.

    Grenfell, a 24-story block, had an aluminum facade with a flammable plastic core, which allowed flames to spread rapidly up the exterior. That kind of cladding was legal in Britain, but tests conducted after the blaze showed that it failed fire safety standards, raising questions about how it had ever been allowed.

    After the tests last year, the government concluded that 228 high-rise buildings around the country had unsafe cladding and ordered it removed, but property owners balked at the cost. Mrs. May said recently that the government would provide $540 million to pay for the work.

    But the government has not banned other types of cladding that are more fire-resistant, but not fireproof.

    “This is most definitely not just a question of the specification of cladding systems,” Ms. Hackitt reports, “but of an industry that has not reflected and learned for itself.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/world/europe/uk-grenfell-fire-safety-cladding-regulations.html
     
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    For a good while I worked in the insurance industy in Australia and went to a lunch event with representatives from all sorts of different areas within the industry. I happened to be at the table with an engineer who was working on identifying what buildings in the city that I live in had this cladding. He summarised the whole thing as 'it's fucked'. Apparently no-one knows what is on the buildings and no-one has any clear direction on what to do with the buildings if they are covered in this cladding. The insurance industry had no idea which buildings on its books were now a fire risk and the Government didn't have a plan at all.

    This might be fear mongering but this kind of deregulatory action could have dire consequences.

     
  20. Billy no mates

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    The refurbishment started in 2014 Khan wasn't elected until 2016 , BoJo's tory chums were the one that wanted to deregulate away the need for sprinklers and the like .
     

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