Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by El Ninja, Mar 12, 2008.
Has anybody tried it?
i challenge the grappling forum to keep this thread to a discussion about the pros and cons of the grappling blueprint and not include remarks about lloyd's marketing(as hard as he makes it to not make remarks about it.), ryan, the ryangle, lloyd's credentials other than how they would pertain to said product.
Any teacher worth their weight in salt can make a xxxx belt out of someone in xxxx amount of time if that said someone has everything taken care of in their lives and just focuses on improving their game.
In short, the Grappling Blueprint
anyone have any experience with the blueprint? Anyone out there actually use it or no someone that did?
I like not wasting my money.
ok, I get that. A lot of people say that but have no supporting information. Have you used it? Why is it a waste of money. What exactly is wrong with it?
I got the free e-mails and actually printed them out and keep them in a binder with other interesting interviews and essays (Rickson, Roy Harris memoirs, etc.) on jiu jitsu.
I think the biggest takeaway from LI is specialization. He has a nice e-mail/essay where he talks about watching tape with his instructor years ago. The tape was full of all the people we know and love as champions of jiu jitsu. The difference was these were tapes of all these guys competing as blue belts and purple belts.
What LI thought was interesting was seeing the same moves that these guys have mastered as black belts, still being developed as lower belts. His point was that if you want to compete against the best, you need to develop a go-to submission, a go-to sweep, a go-to throw or takedown and work them until you have truly mastered not only the moves, but how to set up and re-counter.
Other areas of your game may become terrible (or average, given the amount of training time this approach requires). Don't worry about that. Just focus on those 2, 3, or 4 submissions/sweeps/throws that you'll be doing for the rest of your life.
I don't follow the gameplan. But I am spending at least half the training week just focusing on what I've decided are my best submissions and sweeps.
There's more to it, some sports psychology that isn't half bad. But the theory on specialization is what really impressed me. You see it all the time in pro sports: guys have their shot or their pitch or their move. LI just brings that thinking to jiu jitsu training.
the game plan was a waste of money. it has some very general commonsense platitudes like 'Set goals. Work diligently to achieve them. You will succeed.' It was not grappling specific -- general "achievement psychobabble" in my opinion.
He has some good guys training with him..>Ryan, Mike, Brandon...surely he is doing something right.
Yes, but how many 35-year old accountants have become grappling machines using the GGP??? Of course if you take his top 3 guys whose lives are devoted to grappling and they are basically professionals that train 6 hours per day, they're gonna be great. But what about the grappling game plan was of use to the rest of us that roll a couple days per week???
omg i want more!!! do you have pay pal???:icon_chee
I like this philosophy as well.
It sounds like a competitive athletics approach to bjj rather than a martial arts approach. Personally, I can't help but think of things like Lloyd and his coach because I came to bjj from a competitive wrestling background as a guy looking to extend and continue enjoying the various grappling sports. It's about the fun of training hard, the thrill of competition, and the pride of becoming the best you can be (and yes, 'best' is in large part defined by how well I compare to everyone else in a live go). There's nothing wrong with this approach imo, I just understand that it is not for everyone. I think the same is probably true for Lloyd Irvin and his 'blueprint.'
That said, I'm pretty sure that you can get comparable coaching here on this forum and from your own instructors with regards to how to train like a serious athlete and what it takes to become the best you can be, and as a result, I kind of doubt that the "Grappling Blueprint" is worth the money.
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