Letter from Karl Gotch about Matt Furey

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Catch_Shannon, Jul 20, 2005.

  1. Catch_Shannon

    Catch_Shannon White Belt

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    Here is a letter Karl has asked me to share with people:

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    Tampa, 18th July
     
  2. SideofKO

    SideofKO Brown Belt

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    I recieved a letter from Bruce Lee once saying that Ricksons a fraud. He also mentioned something about Rickson stealing those crazy ab excersises from him. You can view these letters here for those of you who think that I am a sarcastic liar. www.brucevsrickson.com/letters.html enjoy...
     
  3. Dedicado

    Dedicado Machetero

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    WTH? I don't know what to believe anymore....But I am truly sick of Furey's e-mails and I put him on spamguard. *sigh* Snakeoil,anyone?
     
  4. Catch_Shannon

    Catch_Shannon White Belt

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  5. Wilhelm

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    Porche's run with out water all day long
     
  6. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    So are you actually trying to stick up for Matt Furey? Did you buy one of his books or something?
     
  7. 2om30

    2om30 Red Belt

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    I got to admit I bought one of his books. Now I'm getting spammed by this guy! Everyday useless e-mails not 1 but 2 or 3 !! For that I'm not buying anymore of his products.
     
  8. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    Furey is like than Anti-Lloyd Irvin. All of the products, none of the accomplishments.
     
  9. Travis Trayer

    Travis Trayer Amateur Fighter

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    Good call superbeast
     
  10. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

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    Lloyd Irvin and Matt Fury are like the multi-level marketing clowns of Jiu Jitsu/grappling. There spam emails are written in such a way that you feel like you are being sold snake oil or something. Either that or a time share condo presentation. Irvin does have some good accomplishments. And Fury was a NCAA champ which is an extremely high wrestling honor. And that makes him a very elite wrestler. i don't know much about his sub-grappling instruction except what he states he knows. But his web site claims are way overdone. and his products are more expensive than ANYBODY else on the planet. I did see one of his instructionals though. the instruction was good, and i can't complain about the one that i did see. But i would not buy anything mainly because of the riduculous price. And the "circus like" atmosphere surrounding his web site and claims.
     
  11. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    Irvin has trained NAGA champions, Olympians, MMA fighters, ADCC athletes and had his methods of teaching and training adopted by other top guys. He uses sports psychology as well as his own experiences to create methods of training to allow grapplers to excel faster.

    Furey is a guy who has the blessing of fellow fraud Tony Cecchine who puts out methods of training that are archaic and uninformed (hindu squats wont help your limit strength no matter how uch Furey says they will). He uses the name of Karl Gotch, a wrestling legend and a man who has nothing to do with Furey, to cover up the fact he hasn't competed since college and creates hype to allow himself to make money from wannabe grapplers who want to excel faster but don't know shit.

    Irvin is a smart guy in terms of marketing his products while his team is on top and simply tweaking basic sport psychology to work for grapplers and MMAers. However he also has the proof his methods work otherwise his team wouldn't kick ass across America in tournaments. All his work is sound and practical.

    Matt Furey is a smart guy in terms of marketing his products by exploiting the name of a wrestling great and making up stories about his experiences with him. He has no proof his methods work as he does not compete at all and apparently has even turned down offers from ADCC. A lot of his work is sound on the surface but factually inaccurate to a discerning eye.

    Irvin > Furey

    Gotch > Furey

    Poop > Furey
     
  12. Darwinist

    Darwinist Super Simian

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    LOL! Gotchpwned!!!

    Furey needs to be exposed bigtime. Wonder when "Bullshit" will do an episode on martial arts?
     
  13. stephensharp

    stephensharp Brown Belt

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    Catch Shannon, who are you on Bullshido?
     
  14. Kforcer

    Kforcer Dragon Slayer

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    I gotta be honest, I always think when I hear about Catch instructors like Furey and Cecchine(and I love Cecchine's instructionals, even if he does abuse his partners horribly), that it stands to reason that someone wanting the best catch-as-catch-can would go to guys like Gene Lebelle, Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock, Eric Paulson or if you can somehow make it to Japan, Sakuraba, Funaki, etc. It seems to me that the catch-as-catch-can employed by such guys is comparable to say, shotokan karate and kyokushuin(sp), in that one is tested in competition and evolved and changed as necessary(and of course, unchanged where unnecessary), whereas the other risks becoming anachronistic due to its lack of testing through competition.

    I also wonder why Furey and Cecchine never seem to really claim the aforementioned guys and vice-versa. Forgive me if this last comment sounds naive(as of course, the obvious answer is that acknowledging other experts detracts from marketing in the case of Furey and Cecchine). But I wonder if there is something more to it than money...perhaps people feel that the catch-as-catch-can descendants who compete in the MMA world don't utilize "pure" or "true" catch-as-catch-can?
     
  15. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    I think if they started dropping names of people that aren't too old to care they might find themselves in trouble for trying to sell a product using someone unaffiliated with the venture to advertise it. PRIDE would probably sue the shit out of Furey if he started promoting his efforts as "TRIED AND TESTED BY MMATHLETES THE WORLD OVER SUCH AS KAZUSHI SAKURABA".
     
  16. Kforcer

    Kforcer Dragon Slayer

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    True...that's definitely a good point. But then Cecchine and Furey have also gone so far as to essentially disown guys like Sakuraba, Funaki, the Shamrocks etc. as not "true" catch-as-catch-can...and I guess that's what makes me wonder "Why?" Do they have to be the only catch-as-catch-can guys on the planet?
     
  17. Kforcer

    Kforcer Dragon Slayer

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    TTT...I find this interesting...
     
  18. Darwinist

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    Because if you open the door to letting someone who actually fights share your limelight, whose instructional would you buy if you had to pick one? A four-time King of Pancrase and a UFC champion
     
  19. Flexwave2003

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    Interesting story, last year I was working with a very skilled Martial Artist who was at least a 4th degree Black Belt in Shotokan and who had competed on the US National Jujitsu team at one point in her career. Shes an awesome teacher no doubt.

    But she started talking to me about catch wrestling and how she attended a seminar with Cecchine. Of course, knowing what I know about Tony I wasnt that impressed and I got the impression she looked down at me from that point on.

    Not that my opinion of her knowledge, skills or ability to teach is diminished in any kind of form but when you've been mislead, sometimes the truth is hard to accept.

    Bumped from the dead.
     
  20. tapiahome

    tapiahome Blue Belt

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    Yeah but hasn't even Josh Barnett advocated Cecchine? I mean what do you want as far as approval?

    I got sick of the bashing of these guys because I actually saw some of their videos and I think they were really good.
     

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