Topic stolen from Atama because its a good topic and F12 is cooler... "I was just on that Roger Gracie cross choke thread and posted about how what he was doing was not basic at all because although the cross choke and mount are basic techniques Roger employs subtle variations and has an advanced understanding of the techniques. But it just made me realize I had fallen into one of the greatest traps of the internet: arguing semantics. The concept of "Basics" is something that is thrown around a lot in BJJ. But what the hell does it mean? Are we referring to a group of techniques that form the foundation of BJJ? Does it describe a way of doing things, a "how" rather than a "what", which can be applied universally to all techniques? For instance, if we were studying an academic pursuit, say economics or some such thing. The basics would refer to the things a first year student would have a good grasp of (wouldn't it?). It would consist of the core principles that make an economy work. However, the algorithmic* nature of BJJ means that beginning students don't even have a decent grasp of the "basic techniques", in fact, even advanced students still have much understanding to gain (i.e. Roger Gracie Christ of cross choke, Mohammad of mount)... or something. What say you Atama BJJ? *Algorithmic referring to how we can increase our skill, but our skill will never reach the limit of perfection. "