International Let's get ready to Rumble. Battle for DNC soul underway. Bernie stands up for Omar over Israel

[Khabib Fan]

This is some strange stuff.

 

[Reactionary Corporatist]

As one Sanders supporter put it recently on his podcast: "Join a union. Buy a second home."

The right thinks it's social democrats who are pushing an austerity agenda. Their profound political ignorance again on full display.

Its so bizarre to me that people who know very little about economics or politics, or government, have such strong opinions about it.

 

[kpt018]

Trump is set up for a literal landslide in 2020. Right now what you are seeing in these debates is again the Dems pandering to the already secured vote, you can’t see that? None of this will fly in the general when...you guessed it the general public will be watching. The fresh faces are the least popular politicians and continue to torpedo their popularity everyday. Their election was a gift for Trump and he is now taking advantage of it. Are you going to act like they aren’t the face of the party at this moment? al qaeda/isis sympathizers, possible immigration fraud, fake socialists....it’s a literal Godsend for Trump.

....I don’t believe their ideas are popular at all beyond the aforementioned already secured vote. Your post just tells me you will be very surprised in 2020 and after continued conning by Trump you still won’t get it. It’s amazing watching this take place and how many people just don’t want to realize it. All the Dems had to do to have a chance in 2020 was shut up and not put forth insane ideas that are only valued by their secured vote. They have told Trump to hold their beer and they will always lose at his games. This has been proven many times over. It’s 2016 all over again except with 4 hilldogs and biden as the nominee

What are you basing this on, though? I'm basing my view on election results and tons of polling. The party is fine. Sometimes Democrats lose. Sometimes there's infighting. But the party is still healthy.

And no, they are not the face of the party. The problem is you're buying the hard right's view of Democrats but not, you know, the people that actually vote for Democrats.

 

[Paradigm]

What are you basing this on, though? I'm basing my view on election results and tons of polling. The party is fine. Sometimes Democrats lose. Sometimes there's infighting. But the party is still healthy.

And no, they are not the face of the party. The problem is you're buying the hard right's view of Democrats but not, you know, the people that actually vote for Democrats.

I don't know about a Trump 2020 landslide but "tons of polling" also led to this:

 

[kpt018]

I don't know about a Trump 2020 landslide but "tons of polling" also led to this:

Tons of polling lead to the odds of about 35% for Trump. And since you have blind skepticism of polling which indicates that you're statistically challenged I'll just point out that means Trump would win one of every three elections with those odds.

Also, I'm talking about polling on how people feel about policy which is much more straightforward than predicting elections.

 

[AlexDB9]

What are you basing this on, though? I'm basing my view on election results and tons of polling. The party is fine. Sometimes Democrats lose. Sometimes there's infighting. But the party is still healthy.

And no, they are not the face of the party. The problem is you're buying the hard right's view of Democrats but not, you know, the people that actually vote for Democrats.

First, don’t trust polls....especially when it comes to politics. They can be manipulated with such ease..

I’m basing my opinion off of 3 years straight of the same charade being done again and again. Also using my own eyes and common sense

What I say doesn’t really matter and is only my opinion but I see it going this way. Biden is the nominee, the DNC will once again go with the person they feel has a chance. All of the other woke candidates like the Ugandan nightmare, ol bern, and Pocahontas don’t have a chance. Their supporters will once again throw a hissy fit leading to them to not voting or voting for Trump as a fuck you and bam! rinse and repeat

Right now it’s Trump vs the Dems. When it’s one person how do think campaigning in Mexico looks like on the general? How about promising illegals healthcare? (And that’s just one debate!) It isn’t going to look good man, and once they start to backtrack cause you know they will, the woke left will start to get rambunctious....

Polls say Trump has a 35% chance huh? Well I believe that people vote in the booth not on some polls. We will see, but that’s my prediction

 

[kpt018]

First, don’t trust polls....especially when it comes to politics. They can be manipulated with such ease..

Sure, I'll rely on the gut feeling of a random dude on the internet instead.

Polling related to how people feel about policy is pretty straightforward. People confuse that will polling used to predict a future event.

I’m basing my opinion off of 3 years straight of the same charade being done again and again. Also using my own eyes and common sense

No offense but that's not compelling.

What I say doesn’t really matter and is only my opinion but I see it going this way. Biden is the nominee, the DNC will once again go with the person they feel has a chance. All of the other woke candidates like the Ugandan nightmare, ol bern, and Pocahontas don’t have a chance. Their supporters will once again throw a hissy fit leading to them to not voting or voting for Trump as a fuck you and bam! rinse and repeat

Well, current polling suggests you're probably right. At this point Biden is the only one projected with a better than 50/50 chance of beating Trump.

Do you like polls that back up your view?

Right now it’s Trump vs the Dems. When it’s one person how do think campaigning in Mexico looks like on the general? How about promising illegals healthcare? (And that’s just one debate!) It isn’t going to look good man, and once they start to backtrack cause you know they will, the woke left will start to get rambunctious....

Promising healthcare to undocumented immigrants is a political loser (and it polls terribly). A medicare option? Polls great. $15 MW? Polls great. Free college? Mixed.

It's a mixed bag but mostly popular stuff. Republican policy is deeply unpopular, however. But they don't win elections on policy but fear, racial and class resentment and abortion/guns.

Polls say Trump has a 35% chance huh? Well I believe that people vote in the booth not on some polls. We will see, but that’s my prediction

No, that was in 2016. Trump has a better than a coin flip against everyone but Biden (42% vs 50%) at this point in time.

 

[AlexDB9]

Sure, I'll rely on the gut feeling of a random dude on the internet instead.

Polling related to how people feel about policy is pretty straightforward. People confuse that will polling used to predict a future event.



No offense but that's not compelling.



Well, current polling suggests you're probably right. At this point Biden is the only one projected with a better than 50/50 chance of beating Trump.

Do you like polls that back up your view?



Promising healthcare to undocumented immigrants is a political loser (and it polls terribly). A medicare option? Polls great. $15 MW? Polls great. Free college? Mixed.

It's a mixed bag but mostly popular stuff. Republican policy is deeply unpopular, however. But they don't win elections on policy but fear, racial and class resentment and abortion/guns.



No, that was in 2016. Trump has a better than a coin flip against everyone but Biden (42% vs 50%) at this point in time.

Well yeah, I’m just some guy with a prediction, doesn’t matter dick really

.....if you promise illegals healthcare (what 20M people conservatively?) How can you afford healthcare for citizens? That’s a very simple question that comes to mind no?

If you are the poll trusting kind then you know Americans view the border as the #1 topic as far as politics go. Not healthcare, not race/lgtbq relations, and not a slew of other free things promised by Dems. Doesn’t that give you a little hint as to where this is all going in 2020?

Trump vs. Biden would be a bloodbath the Dems candidate a straight white male?!? The world will end much sooner than she guevara predicted ......yet that’s where it’s heading and it’s quite obvious to me at least

 

[kpt018]

Well yeah, I’m just some guy with a prediction, doesn’t matter dick really

.....if you promise illegals healthcare (what 20M people conservatively?) How can you afford healthcare for citizens? That’s a very simple question that comes to mind no?

You'd have to raise taxes or increase deficits. It's a bad idea all around imo. And most people agree.

If you are the poll trusting kind then you know Americans view the border as the #1 topic as far as politics go. Not healthcare, not race/lgtbq relations, and not a slew of other free things promised by Dems. Doesn’t that give you a little hint as to where this is all going in 2020?

Not true. Immigration is a huge issue for Republicans but Democrats want tight borders with a path to citizenship. The most important issue for Dems is healthcare.

Trump vs. Biden would be a bloodbath the Dems candidate a straight white male?!? The world will end much sooner than she guevara predicted ......yet that’s where it’s heading and it’s quite obvious to me at least

That's a silly take. Woke states are voting for any Dem and Biden does really well in swing states.

 

[AlexDB9]

You'd have to raise taxes or increase deficits. It's a bad idea all around imo. And most people agree.



Not true. Immigration is a huge issue for Republicans but Democrats want tight borders with a path to citizenship. The most important issue for Dems is healthcare.



That's a silly take. Woke states are voting for any Dem and Biden does really well in swing states.

So if you think it’s not a great idea what are you going to do when it’s something that a Dem candidate puts at the forefront of their platform? Will you still vote for them knowing it will ultimately affect you and yours where it counts?

According to the data I’ve read it’s literally at a record high and I assume that’s all Americans since it doesn't say what party they register with. I don’t care for polls but that’s something that would make a lot of sense to me....legal immigrants like me in particular don’t look too fondly on illegal immigrants either

I mean it will be a bloodbath cause Biden is a gaff machine. He’s a gift to Trump, I also doubt he has the energy needed to campaign in more than 3 states if that

 

[kpt018]

So if you think it’s not a great idea what are you going to do when it’s something that a Dem candidate puts at the forefront of their platform? Will you still vote for them knowing it will ultimately affect you and yours where it counts?

Not every candidate is supporting the idea but generally I weigh all their positions and prioritize the ones that are important to me. I happen to believe Trump is so bad for the country that it will take a lot more than that from the left in order for me to vote for him.

According to the data I’ve read it’s literally at a record high and I assume that’s all Americans since it doesn't say what party they register with. I don’t care for polls but that’s something that would make a lot of sense to me....legal immigrants like me in particular don’t look too fondly on illegal immigrants either

Record for Republicans? I wouldn't doubt it but I'm not sure what the data says.

I mean it will be a bloodbath cause Biden is a gaff machine. He’s a gift to Trump, I also doubt he has the energy needed to campaign in more than 3 states if that

Trump is a gaff machine. And he's corrupt and immoral. At least Biden just says dumb things from time to time.

 

[AlexDB9]

Not every candidate is supporting the idea but generally I weigh all their positions and prioritize the ones that are important to me. I happen to believe Trump is so bad for the country that it will take a lot more than that from the left in order for me to vote for him.



Record for Republicans? I wouldn't doubt it but I'm not sure what the data says.



Trump is a gaff machine. And he's corrupt and immoral. At least Biden just says dumb things from time to time.

I got bad news for you man, the ones on the second nights debates all raised their hands for it and don’t be fooled....the first nights group would have raised their hands as well with the Spanglish they were throwing out. Unless someone has already backtracked? I haven’t been paying attention. This is the woke era for Dems and they are unfortunately trying to out woke one another and it only pushes the party further left towards the already secured vote leaving others out in the wind