International Lessons from Corona: looking to the future

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

In what way? It’s just our globalists in charge that have purposefully sent America’s manufacturing away.

we know how to get it back. America is certainly still #1. We just need trade tariffs a mile high, zero immigration, all illegals deported, and our illegal wars ended.

We will just put America and the American worker first. End of story.

You're probably too young to remember America in the 70's and 80's when we still had a manufacturing base. This is what we lived with:

Of course, some of it still exists. But they've had to operate in areas with lower regulatory restrictions and smaller populations. If we tried to bring back all the manufacturing sent to China, our cities would be as smog choked as theirs. This is the price we paid for the illusion of moral superiority.

And no, it's not just "globalists" outsourcing production there. Any small time inventor with an idea and a CAD file can commission a factory to build their products. There are tens of thousands of middle class Americans doing just that thanks to e-commerce. But yes, massive retail conglomerates like Walmart are the biggest beneficiaries of Chinese manufacturing.

So do you want Chinese air quality so we can produce disposable goods at home?

 

[ShinkanPo]

Like Trump said difficult decisions have to be made.

 

[funkexpress]

Make sure your Armageddon stashes, panic rooms and bomb shelters are fully stocked with toilet paper

 

[trac209]

Lesson one chyna can fuck off..

 

[Hadron90]

-End globalism. Every country needs to be mostly independent, so that quarantines can be easily and readily enacted without global consequences. An economic relief fund that countries under quarantine can tap into, to make the decision to quarantine early easier.

-Universal healthcare for critical infectious diseases, and mandatory paid leave when recovering from said infectious diseases. No one should ever have an excuse to show up to work sick or not get treated.

-Hang the president of WHO, publically. Investigate the extent of the corruption at WHO and try them as war criminals complicit in bio-terrorism. Sanction the shit out of China for their role in the coverup.

-Investigate Bill Gates

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Closing travel to China was absolutely the right call. Canada not doing do is foolish.

In fact all travel by air, bus and train should be stopped 100%.

 

[Hadron90]

Winners focus on fixing themselves, and losers focus on blaming external factors that they can't control. Americans should have a winner's mentality about this.

So, imagine we play the blame game instead of fixing ourselves. Remember when ebola broke out in Africa? What happens when the next pandemic comes from Africa instead of China? What good will the China blame game do us then?

^ ^ ^ That's how we lose.

Now imagine we fix ourselves instead. We revamp our emergency procedures. We have logistics and emergency manufacturing in place. We change our healthcare system. Then the next pandemic comes from a place that's not China. And we'll be fully prepared!

^ ^ ^ That's how we win.

Beta and cringe.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Asia can get away with what they did because they have much more control over their population and not constrained against Draconian measures to enact their policies if deemed necessary. What works there would not work here nor should it. If our government is ever able to enact the same sort of control over its citizens as China does its own that will be time when the government should in fact fall as everything the country was founded on would be dead.

South Korea was able to keep a lid on the outbreak and they are far less authoritarian and more democratic than China. Apparently Taiwan is doing a decent job as well and they are also democratic.

The difference is South Korea had a SARS outbreak in 2015 and therefore prepared ahead of time while we didn't.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Not sacking the fucking department which deals with pandemics for a start.

 

[MardyBum]

Lesson one chyna can fuck off..

She's long dead my man, show a little class

 

[Islam Imamate]

Nothing government mandated except maybe in Daegu where the worst of the outbreak was, not sure about that.


I was there during the whole thing. No businesses closed down, no curfews, no one lost their jobs, and bars/ restaurants all stayed open. Hundreds of people walking on every block in cities with no "social distancing".

What they did and are doing is test everyone that might have the disease. Then they find out where anyone that tests positive has been in the past few weeks. Then they test anyone that's been in the same places. Then they do the same thing to anyone that tests positive... They put all this information online on google maps and send out emergency alert text messages so you can look and see if you've been to those places, then get yourself tested. Rinse, repeat. Meanwhile in the US, you can work in the same building or go to the same grocery store as someone that tested positive, you can't get tested. You can have symptoms, and maybe still can't get tested.

So, instead of limiting the spread of the virus with surgical precision like Korea is, we have to use a "carpet bombing" strategy and literally just shut everything down and keep everyone inside of their homes.

Why can South Korea test everyone but we can't? The answer to that question is how you fix this problem in the future. Blaming China isn't how you make yourself prepared in the future. Fixing our emergency procedures and healthcare system is how we make ourselves prepared in the future.

One of the problems is the fact that we have privatized medicine and preparing for pandemics isn't necessarily profitable. Think about the shortage of ICU beds, that's not an accident. Hospitals have no incentive to keep extra ICU beds since that is inefficient even if they will be critical in a pandemic, they will simply keep as many as they generally need under normal circumstances which is insufficient for pandemics. Or even ventilators and masks. IIRC the US government did contract with a certain company to build extra ventilators but that company got bought out and the parent company asked to be let got from the contract before making a single ventilator because they claimed it wasn't profitable.

I don't want to derail this thread into an anti-capitalism tangent. Obviously the free market is generally very efficient and to the extent that we can rely on market solutions to problems we should. But markets aren't perfect and if you want preserve market based economies then you need to consciously correct for market failures like the ones I described above.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

I learned China is assho.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

I think hoping for an international police state to stop China or whoever from breeding a virus is less likely to save you than your country having a reasonable defence plan.


America's lack of appropriate response is mind blowing when considered in the context of their defense budget.

 

[Phi-]

When this is over we should have all the people that were against any action and saying "it's just a flu" isolated and decimated, imperial roman army style.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

You're probably too young to remember America in the 70's and 80's when we still had a manufacturing base. This is what we lived with:

Of course, some of it still exists. But they've had to operate in areas with lower regulatory restrictions and smaller populations. If we tried to bring back all the manufacturing sent to China, our cities would be as smog choked as theirs. This is the price we paid for the illusion of moral superiority.

And no, it's not just "globalists" outsourcing production there. Any small time inventor with an idea and a CAD file can commission a factory to build their products. There are tens of thousands of middle class Americans doing just that thanks to e-commerce. But yes, massive retail conglomerates like Walmart are the biggest beneficiaries of Chinese manufacturing.

So do you want Chinese air quality so we can produce disposable goods at home?

I think if we were really serious about this the role of these corporations will have to be redefined.

First of all these profits will have to be much smaller and they’ll have to accept that. Destroying the environment and under cutting the workers will not cut it any longer.

Especially after a crisis like this where we see how important these day to day workers are. We need less suits and more taking care of the actual workers.

 

[Grenz]

-End globalism. Every country needs to be mostly independent, so that quarantines can be easily and readily enacted without global consequences. An economic relief fund that countries under quarantine can tap into, to make the decision to quarantine early easier.

-Universal healthcare for critical infectious diseases, and mandatory paid leave when recovering from said infectious diseases. No one should ever have an excuse to show up to work sick or not get treated.

-Hang the president of WHO, publically. Investigate the extent of the corruption at WHO and try them as war criminals complicit in bio-terrorism. Sanction the shit out of China for their role in the coverup.

-Investigate Bill Gates

I wouldn't advocate an end to globalism, simply because it's not pragmatic, ie those wheels have been in motion for a very long time and can't be stopped now, even if there were significant will to do so, which there isn't. I would however advocate for more self sufficiency. In Canada we're learning that the hard way, as Trump temporarily threatened to somehow stop 3M from sending us masks (whether that was ever legal is unclear). In a similar vein, we're going to manufacturer 30K respirators right here at home. The point here is, if in a time of severe crisis our answer is to get most of the shit we need from other places, this clearly introduces a large amount of risk. We need to mitigate that risk and move a certain percentage of manufacturing back home (no, I'm not saying we should start making iphones, but a certain percentage of critical categories like medical supplies should be manufactured here, with contingency plans to ramp up production by hundreds or even thousands of percentage points when/if shit hits the fan again.

Universal healthcare...yea, it blows my mind that you guys don't have this yet, and the American Left is running a candidate who's against it. Unbelievable.

WHO - full agreement here, the head needs to be removed and the organization restructured, ie. purged of what is obviously an undue amount of Chinese influence. For now, they've lost their credibility and were clearly complicit in letting this reach the stage that it has.

Bill Gates - Huh? Did I miss something?

 

[SHAZAM]

We're in a global world now and there's no way around it ya goofs. Don't know why y'all keep bitching about globalism you CTist. If we are gonna keep this a relatively peaceful world then we have to keep working together but improve relationships between countries. If anything, countries with certain resources should produce certain products and we work as one planet. Stupid fucks. Glad y'all not in charge.

 

[Hadron90]

Bill Gates - Huh? Did I miss something?

The Bill Gates foundation is second only the United States as the biggest donor to WHO. He gives almost half a billion annually. In addition, he funding a project that was simulating coronavirus epidemics as recent as late 2019, is a huge funder of multiple people developing coronavirus vaccines even before the pandemic, and says he believes coronavirus vaccines should be tied to "digital certificates", such as Microsoft's ID2020 proposal (microchipping humans). Its all very suspicious. Probably just a crazy conspiracy theory, but I'd like to see it investigated nonetheless. His moves have been a bit too on-the-nose.

 

[Hadron90]

Perhaps the answer to China's next SAR type virus is to just nuke them to a cinder.

I'm just brainstorming here.

The radiation will mutate it into a legit zombie disease. It would be better to use chemical weapons.

 

[Hadron90]

We're in a global world now and there's no way around it ya goofs. Don't know why y'all keep bitching about globalism you CTist.

So globalism is a CT, but you admit that globalism is par for the world we live in? Doesn't add up.