Leglock Question

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  1. dragon50

    dragon50 Banned Banned

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    If a fighter has another fighter in a leg lock and keeps craanking, what is the most damage that can be done? Any examples?

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  2. DethDriver

    DethDriver White Belt

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    The breaking of bones, tearing of tendons etc......
     
  3. Clint07

    Clint07 You like blood? Violence? Freaks of nature?

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    It depends on the leg lock. If its a kneebar the guys knee will most likely be destroyed (bones snapped, tendons torn etc). If it is a heel hook then either their ankle will be broken and ligaments will be torn or else their knee will end up shattered. It depends on which one is weaker and exactly how they are attempting to defend the heel hook.
     
  4. Murdoc

    Murdoc Blue Belt

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    You used to see a lot of leg injuries in some of the older Abu Dhabi's (ADCC). I think the most frequent injuries come from heel hooks because they can be applied very hard, very fast. I have a grappling magazine from '98 with a picture of Tre Telligman breaking some dude's leg in two places with a heel hook in Abu Dhabi. Funny thing is the guy didn't tap and ended up winning the match on points.
     
  5. turboawd94

    turboawd94 Orange Belt

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    all the post of above are correct but the achilles lock doesnt do any damage only sharp pain. Mr. Rutten says the achilles lock cant break or tear any bones and/or tendons
     
  6. omoplata

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    "all the post of above are correct but the achilles lock doesnt do any damage only sharp pain. Mr. Rutten says the achilles lock cant break or tear any bones and/or tendons"

    Mr Rutten keeps saying this and he is very wrong. It all depends on where your forearm is on the opponent's leg. Yes, it will only hurt if your forearm is high on the calf. If it is very low, just half an inch or so above the heel, it is pressing exactly on the tendon's weakest point and may snap the tendon with devastating consequences. Also, if you got the foot tucked tightly in your armpit and lean all the way back (only possible if you are on your side, or belly down otherwise your back will hit the floor before you can fully arch) you can break his foot.

    Omoplata
     
  7. look how arlovski got sylvia in that achilles lock perfect form... he would've snapped his ankle in half if sylvia didn't tap
     
  8. the evil genius

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    One example is Ken Shamrock vs. Don Frye. Frye would not tap and won the fight but he was laid up for sometime after, due to the heelhook.
     
  9. Sohei

    Sohei A Smocking gun

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    Heel hook usually tears the ACL/PCL. The side knee bar usuallly tears the LCL.
     
  10. The heel hook can not only snap your ankle and knee, but it can break your shinbone in two as well. As was evident when Mr. Rutten applied his first ever heelhook on Takahashi.
     
  11. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

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    Dude, you say "leglock" as if there were only one. There are tons of ways to submit using the hip, knee, ankle. Most will F-up a joint badly or even break a bone. A few others are just for pain. But in general, as with any submission, if it's locked on then tap fairly quickly, and also say it verbally. if you don't, then it's your ass. And maybe the end of your grappling career.
     
  12. flyingknee16

    flyingknee16 Brown Belt

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    Funny thing is, I've caught up a lot with my brother in terms of jiu jitsu, and he can only submit me now with leglocks...
     
  13. Mirada

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    Rutten's knowledge of submissions is so incredibly over rated it's insane.


    Here's a hint: In general, he does not know what the fuck he is talking about.
     
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    Soid Renegade of Funk

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    Agreed, I'm a huge fan of the dude, don't get me wrong. But sometimes he says some pretty stupid shit.

    P.S. I will not partake in any argument whether or not he know's his shit = waste of time.

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  15. scorcho

    scorcho Brown Belt

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    Leg locks are really dangerous, because unlike armbars, you usually don't feel pain until your tendons/bones have already been broken.

    Practice with care!
     
  16. phenomfan1529

    phenomfan1529 Brown Belt

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    Yeah, my younger cousin thinks hes badass because he can tapout his buddies with leglocks.
     
  17. Corey123

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    Leg locks, when applied, can be dangerous. That's why some are illegal in some BJJ divisions besides the master divisions. Because they don't want a newbie to crank as hard as he could and the other newbie doesn't want to tap...and that messes up his leg really bad. Leg locks can tear tendons and break bones, and sometimes a injury from a leg lock will stay with you for the rest of your life. I was just in a tourney and I was heel-hooked. The guy had it in for maybe 10 seconds at the most and it has been a few days later and I still feel pain when I walk around. When you preform leg locks in training, you can use them, I do, but you have to be careful not to hurt your partner.
     
  18. FStep

    FStep Brown Belt

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    who told you that? i mean yea it has a lower injury rate then heel hooks or knee bars but there're plenty of muscles you can tare with it
     
  19. Dedicado

    Dedicado Machetero

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    Bruised tendons can take a very long time to heal, especially when you start getting older....
    Leg-locks like kneebars and heelhooks can tear your meniscus, acl/mcl/pcl/, shatter the patela, and do other nasty stuff to you that you wouldn't like.
    It's much safer to slap a bull on the balls than to tuff-out one of these locks.
     
  20. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    dislocated knee
     

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