Leader of California's #MeToo Movement, Cristina Garcia, Accused of Sexual Misconduct

HunterAcosta said:
Ever heard of excessive force ? Self defense doesn’t justify ANY force uou use in response buddy . Do u really believe that ? Or trolling ? People get in trouble all the time for going overboard and killing /maiming /breaking some dude in a “ self defense “ situation . Google escalation of force . Do it ....Happened to a buddy of mine . Guy pushed him . He dropped dude on his head . Former wrest, my friend .Damn near killed guy . He had good lawyer but still did year in jail , lost job , paid fine , probation , etc . Where was the irrefutable self defense? And yes , there are legit times when’s guy wins those cases but trust me ( I ain’t no lawyer but know lots of lawyers ) they’re hard to prove .
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What part of "necessary means" are you not following?
 
floivanus said:
Nah, but with my 60+ hour work weeks and the resulting lack of social life (outside of my two boys and wife) it’s been a while since I’ve been randomly groped by some random sloot...

But like the majority of guys, it would be a “water cooler moment” and nothing more if it happened, I wouldn’t be trying to get the fat slag fired for grabbing weiner
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What if that same slag had gotten men fired for the same behaviour?
 
EGarrett said:
As I asked above, what's the "measured and proportionate" response for the men who were stabbed and chemically poisoned and left the area without defending themselves, identifying their attackers, or even realizing what had happened until it was too late? You honestly sound like you don't know anything about self-defense situations in the real world.
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Problem is, you stick in these wildly rare instances of violence in a discussion of more conventional violence.

These extremely rare instances of political assassinations, random stabbings, and others are just that- extremely rare. They'll happen to 0.00001% of the population and are not instructive at all. But to answer your question, a measured and proportionate response to a murder attempt is obviously to defend yourself with all you have.

I'm more interested in discussing things that are far, far more likely to happen between men and women: face-to-face altercations with a significant other, or with a stranger in a public place.
 
Kafir-kun said:
I don't really buy this because in the case of workplace harassment we're rarely ever hearing about men overpowering women and raping them. I'm sure there have been a few cases but the overwhelming amount have been men abusing their positions of power to commit acts not unlike what this women did.

So in the context of the conversation about work place harassment I don't think the physical side matters as much since its virtually always an abuse of institutional power.
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True, the physical matters a lot less, but I think it's still a factor.

In the workplace, the threat or possibility of a man exerting physical power over a woman still lingers somewhere. Not nearly as much as on the street, of course, but it's there. Intimidation through physical strength and aggression is there.

The possibility of a woman doing the same is much more diminished, unless you're working with Cyborg or Gabi Garcia.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
True, the physical matters a lot less, but I think it's still a factor.

In the workplace, the threat or possibility of a man exerting physical power over a woman still lingers somewhere. Not nearly as much as on the street, of course, but it's there. Intimidation through physical strength and aggression is there.

The possibility of a woman doing the same is much more diminished, unless you're working with Cyborg or Gabi Garcia.
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I still think you're overplaying it. Some of these guys getting accused are older men, not exactly in their physical prime. And the main issue with workplace harassment and assault is the abuse of institutional power which is not restricted to one sex. The harm comes from the feeling of powerlessness that isn't rooted in physical differences but in social ones and its compounded by the repeated exposure in the case of serial offenders. None of that is unique to men and I think we're going to see more and more cases of this kind of things now that the conversation has opened up. We've always seen it in the case of statutory rape of course so its not too surprising to see it in the workplace either.
 
irish_thug said:
What if that same slag had gotten men fired for the same behaviour?
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Then burn her ass. And in this case I’m glad to see it backfire on her.

We all do it, men and women alike, to act like men are pigs and women aren’t is naive. It’s like the trump tape, ZOMG so turrible... again, I’ve heard plenty of women talk like that, brag about grabbing men’s junk and who they want to skank with, let them fry
 
I hope no one prosecuting her in this thread agrees with Donald's "due process" comment.
 
HunterAcosta said:
So EVERY attack is equal no matter the nature of the attack? A slap would warant a brutal beat down on a woman? Not talking armed. Its self defense right? according to you. The LEVELS of physical attack dont matter? If a woman on the subway slaps you, I guess you could kill her in your world cause you know, she could have killed you. You had no way to know how far she would take it, right? Im sure the cops and jury would understand.
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I think it's generally more a question of the length of the counter-assault.

Let's say some drunk women gouges at your face with her nails and you leg trip her and she smacks her face off the ground, is that an appropriate level of force?

I don't think anyone will argue that if you hop in mount and cave her face in with elbows that would be an appropriate response.

But to trip\throw\takedown a girl who is clawing at your face seems reasonable, it just gets murky depending on the outcome of the throw.
 
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HunterAcosta said:
Nothing . And this convo is getting old . Tiresome . Peace , love and happiness brutha .
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You get in trouble in court if you do something clearly unnecessary. As I said, you can use what's necessary.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Problem is, you stick in these wildly rare instances of violence in a discussion of more conventional violence.

These extremely rare instances of political assassinations, random stabbings, and others are just that- extremely rare. They'll happen to 0.00001% of the population and are not instructive at all. But to answer your question, a measured and proportionate response to a murder attempt is obviously to defend yourself with all you have.

I'm more interested in discussing things that are far, far more likely to happen between men and women: face-to-face altercations with a significant other, or with a stranger in a public place.
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Violence in general is quite rare. A lot of people never even have a fight in their lives. The fact that people can't tell what your intent is when you attack is one of the major reasons why people shouldn't attack each other. Men or women. But if you do so, you open yourself up to a violent response that will subdue you, and the person in question is justified in doing so, whether they are a man or woman.
 
Gregolian said:
This is another situation where that Rogan joke about child molestation between the sexes will never be equal holds true to a point.

Like, that Just for Men commercial with the baby dancing around all these leggy girls and shit at a night club wouldn't work if it was a little girl surrounded by dude's in loin clothes. You'd go to prison for even writing that down (metaphorically).

I'm not an attractive dude but I can't count the amount of times girls grabbed me (ass, crotch, what have you) when I was a bouncer and they were somewhat trashed. COULD I have done the "she just sexual assaulted me" route? PROBABLY... especially here in WA... but who's going to fucking believe that me, at 6'4" and over 300lb feels sexually assautled by a 125lb 5'3" blonde? NO ONE would.. the damn cops would probably write it down like they took it seriously then use me as the tag line of their jokes for the next month.

AND NO, before some ass goes "you can't count them cause they didn't happen" go be a bouncer for a week at a busy live act club and get back to me.
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I work in healthcare and am out numbered about 6:1 by females. Coworkers, superiors, patients, and their family members have said some hypersexual stuff and tried some downright raunchy shit on me in the 7 years I've been a clinician. It certainly works both ways, but the accountability for your actions is worlds different depending on your sex/gender. It just isn't seen as a big deal if you're a guy on the wrong end of interactions like that. Most of the time people act like you're supposed to be grateful for the attention you just received.

It sucks that anyone is being harassed, but if we're trying to reach some bliss point of equality then everyone needs to be held to an equal standard for actions.
 
Madmick said:
He voiced a formal complaint with a political superior right after it happened.

Even assuming it's true, which it might not be, this kind of shit is such a non-issue, or at least it should be, but if the left is going to full court press this horseshit, then what's good for the gander...
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If he filed the complaint when it happened, then I retract what I said, but i am sick of all of these “victims” coming out years later for political reasons.
 
nhbbear said:
If he filed the complaint when it happened, then I retract what I said, but i am sick of all of these “victims” coming out years later for political reasons.
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Oh, absolutely, agreed. I don't even care that he did file a complaint. Shit like this just isn't important. Trivial everyday crap of life like this you should just leave soaking with the spilt beer out on the grass of the softball field.

But if bitches like this want to crucify and destroy people's careers in service of her SJW political agenda, then let her die by her own sword. He'll never be the same! Listen and believe!

Poetic justice.
 
wufabufa said:
I work in healthcare and am out numbered about 6:1 by females. Coworkers, superiors, patients, and their family members have said some hypersexual stuff and tried some downright raunchy shit on me in the 7 years I've been a clinician. It certainly works both ways, but the accountability for your actions is worlds different depending on your sex/gender. It just isn't seen as a big deal if you're a guy on the wrong end of interactions like that. Most of the time people act like you're supposed to be grateful for the attention you just received.

It sucks that anyone is being harassed, but if we're trying to reach some bliss point of equality then everyone needs to be held to an equal standard for actions.
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Hey I’ve seen some fat slags claiming that decent looking guys are harassing them, I think them heffers need to be grateful that a decent looking guy was trying to get in their XXXXL panties.

And somehow, saying what I just did would get me labeled as a pig, but women act like us blokes should be happy drunken skanks grab weiner. When that happens I brush it off and have a fun story for a few days.
 
Kafir-kun said:
I still think you're overplaying it. Some of these guys getting accused are older men, not exactly in their physical prime. And the main issue with workplace harassment and assault is the abuse of institutional power which is not restricted to one sex. The harm comes from the feeling of powerlessness that isn't rooted in physical differences but in social ones and its compounded by the repeated exposure in the case of serial offenders. None of that is unique to men and I think we're going to see more and more cases of this kind of things now that the conversation has opened up. We've always seen it in the case of statutory rape of course so its not too surprising to see it in the workplace either.
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Even if we take the physical completely out of it, it'd be interesting to see which sex uses institutional power to sexually coerce subordinates more.

Obviously the total numbers are going to be skewed for men. Upper management and other positions of power have far more men than women. And then there's the old image of middle-aged businessmen hitting up strip clubs or escort services or something. Don't really hear a lot of middle-aged women doing the same. This kinda suggests that powerful men are more interested in sexual escapades than powerful women.

But I'd willing to wait to see some sort of formal study on the subject though.
 
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