Lazy crane operators are contributing to shortages and high prices

Ah yes blame the workers.

Nice try, capitalism!

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There might be some good union workers but there are a whole lot more lazy ones. Union hacks are one of the reasons I won't buy American cars any more. I just don't trust anything made by these people.

I agree. It seems to be the older long established workers who’ve learned how to milk the system that are the problem. The younger union peeps I’ve worked with are competent and hard working.
 
Lol anybody fault but the gay guy on 2 month vacations
 
Fuck Unions


They used to be necessary. Now they are not, they are merely political tools.
If unions aren't necessary, why are big corporations so anti-union and pro govt handouts for their employees? I'm talking about Wal-Mart and Amazon. Wal-Mart specifically will post materials to educate their employees how to get govt benefits. Tell me more about how unions aren't necessary. You probably believe Henry Ford was some benevolent leader too.
 
Fire them all and hire illegal immigrants for 2 dollars at hour.
 
Unions are a mixed bag of lazy as ever loving fuck and hard working. The problem is that lazy guy makes the same as the skilled/competent/ hardworking guy , and that's just bad for business. God forbid you need something from them at the end of the day or before break/lunch. These guys literally drop their tools on the second and leave
 
When you don’t let industry exploit your labor you’re labeled “lazy” to try and smear you and your profession.

when you don’t allow higher ups to take advantage of you they say you’re “difficult.”

people say “well a union guy won’t do any extra work.” And I say “today’s favor becomes tomorrow’s responsibility.” The line will never be drawn in the sand and one day youll wake up years later and you’re doing hundreds of extra “favors” for multi millionaires who don’t think you should be paid for it.


More productivity means more money in the workers pocket. Millionaires don’t do “favors” and neither should labor.
Except your not screwing over your boss , your screwing over other trades and people working towards the same common goal. Spoken like a person who's never lifted a tool or been on a jobsite in his life.
 
Meh i think there's a few things at play, not just "lazy" crane workers.
 
The backups at the ports are due to there not being enough rail cars and trucks. They can unload the ships all they want, but there is nowhere to put the stuff. I have family members who are longshoremen, and they cannot get the normal rail cars and trucks to the west coast. All their storage lots and warehouses are full, so they cannot unload more and until they have space. Trucking companies are paying insane wages right now, but they cannot get enough people.

This. I spent most of last week at the port of LB and across the way in San Pedro (I'm a maritime lawyer). The backup is truck and rail. Anyone who wants to see it can just make the drive themselves. Cargo can only move as fast as it can be loaded on the next vehicle and passed of island. Just sit on the bridge. Lines of trucks longer than I've every seen, backed up from the actual docks (all 500+ of them in Long Beach) up onto the bridge.

The problem is a lack of trucking who are dealing with a lack of drivers. The dock workers haven't really changed, or at least are mostly back to full strength by now. The problem is too few or inexperienced truckers taking to long to get in an out.

Hell, I ain't complaining though. Delays equal lawsuits.
 
Except your not screwing over your boss , your screwing over other trades and people working towards the same common goal. Spoken like a person who's never lifted a tool or been on a jobsite in his life.

Bullshit. All trades have to stay in their lane. If a union carpenter decides he can run a dozer and do all the site grading that’s taking work from a dirt contractor and a union equipment operator.

If I’m scheduled to do backfilling on interior forms on a building pad and the concrete boys don’t have their forms stripped and I decide to go above and beyond and strip their forms, so I can backfill and keep the schedule up to date, And say some of the forms have wear or damage they can take pictures and claim I damaged em and make an complaint to a general where then my contractor has to cover the costs for new forms.

You have no idea of the political positioning and in fighting that goes on during a job.


If I do a task outside of my regular job, my contractor can charge the general an extra charge on top of the original bid. Change orders make contractors money. If I tell my contractor “hey I’m not a de-watering laborerI’m an operator”, they’ll fire me. However if I supply my own tools and do go above and beyond do I have the ability to slap my contractor with an extra charge? No I do not


Furthermore unions set the pay scale standards for EVERYONE. Wanna go work for a non-union outfit? Guess what gives you bargaining power? The fact that a union set a wage standard in that industry.

@Fedorgasm and all you people bitching haven’t a fucking clue about the history of labor or are aware of the people who fought and died for a middle class.


Bunch of trust fund pussies in here. If being a crane operator is soooo lucrative and easy go fucking be one for 7 years and let me know if you think your wages and benefits should cease to exist.

Cause I’ll tell you right now there’s a huge fucking demand for them a shortage and most generals I talk to would never sub out that type of work to illegal immigration outfits.
 
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Bullshit. All trades have to stay in their lane. If a union carpenter decides he can run a dozer and do all the site grading that’s taking work from a dirt contractor and a union equipment operator.

If I’m scheduled to do backfilling on interior forms on a building pad and the concrete boys don’t have their forms stripped and I decide to go above and beyond and strip their forms, so I can backfill and keep the schedule up to date, And say some of the forms have wear or damage they can take pictures and claim I damaged em and make an complaint to a general where then my contractor has to cover the costs for new forms.

You have no idea of the political positioning and in fighting that goes on during a job.


If I do a task outside of my regular job, my contractor can charge the general an extra charge on top of the original bid. Change orders make contractors money. If I tell my contractor “hey I’m not a de-watering laborerI’m an operator”, they’ll fire me. However if I supply my own tools and do go above and beyond do I have the ability to slap my contractor with an extra charge? No I do not


Furthermore unions set the pay scale standards for EVERYONE. Wanna go work for a non-union outfit? Guess what gives you bargaining power? The fact that a union set a wage standard in that industry.

@Fedorgasm and all you people bitching haven’t a fucking clue about the history of labor or are aware of the people who fought and died for a middle class.


Bunch of trust fund pussies in here. If being a crane operator is soooo lucrative and easy go fucking be one for 7 years and let me know if you think your wages and benefits should cease to exist.

Cause I’ll tell you right now there’s a huge fucking demand for them a shortage and most generals I talk to would never sub out that type of work to illegal immigration outfits.
When in the flying fuck did I suggest having a carpenter do a graders job and vice versa ? We're you looking to just yell into air ? If I'm ready to complete my job and can't because the union electricians don't work Friday , well that's fucking bullshit.
 
When in the flying fuck did I suggest having a carpenter do a graders job and vice versa ? We're you looking to just yell into air ?

Name what you think “the common goal” is between the trades. Cause it sure as fuck ain’t finishing job. Each trade cares about their task and finishing it in the quickest most effective time possible and often times don’t mind fucking over another trade in the process.

@StoneColdSteveAustin is suggesting that doing an task outside of what your job description winds up becoming an expectation. Which it does and you as the labor will not be compensated for going out of your way to go above and beyond.

But make no mistake about it, if a sub contractor goes outside of his lane to help a general complete a task quicker. They charge em for it
 
Except your not screwing over your boss , your screwing over other trades and people working towards the same common goal. Spoken like a person who's never lifted a tool or been on a jobsite in his life.


Your opinion is worthless to me. Nothing you say even makes sense. Imagine thinking an electrician should be doing the plumbers job.
 
I'm very pro-union and believe in a lot of socialist ideals but this is where you draw the line. Some serious bullshit.
 
Dude be real.

any environment where it’s hard to get fired is going to have a higher percentage of lazy workers than an environment where it’s easy to get fired.

I don’t think all Union workers are lazy and if you’re an exception then good on you, but most Union workers are certainly lazier than their non-Union counterparts.

QFT.

I'm unionized and there are guys I work with that I have no idea how they still have their fucking job. The laziest, most sloth like, intentionally terrible work you have ever had the displeasure of having to work behind.

I miss the days where it was appropriate to take a piece of shit co-worker like that behind the woodshed and "politely explain" to him why he should smarten up.

I sent an email to the boss of a guy I had to spend hours on a job because of his shitty work and I called him a sloth. The reply from his manager was "calling people names is inappropriate", lol. Since management gets bonused out every year, based on their crews "numbers" - they have exactly ZERO motivation or reason to enforce quality standards, which would lower their numbers and potentially cost them $15,000.

The company I work for is a fucking joke and I'm currently doing my Network+ certification so I can quit ASAP.
 
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Union workers aren’t lazy.

As a unionized member for the last 13 years I can tell you that your statement is 10000000000% false.

If I was the manager of our shop, I'd fire at least 40 of the 120 guys we have working there. The only reason they still have their jobs is because how hard it is to fire them, due to being in a union.

These 40 fucks are the most intentionally lazy, sloth like pieces of human shit and an embarrassment to the company and our customers.

You couldn't be more wrong.
 
Unions are a mixed bag of lazy as ever loving fuck and hard working. The problem is that lazy guy makes the same as the skilled/competent/ hardworking guy , and that's just bad for business. God forbid you need something from them at the end of the day or before break/lunch. These guys literally drop their tools on the second and leave
This.

Depends on the union at times, but seniority is bullshit. Meritocracy is the way to go.
 
As a unionized member for the last 13 years I can tell you that your statement is 10000000000% false.

If I was the manager of our shop, I'd fire at least 40 of the 120 guys we have working there. The only reason they still have their jobs is because how hard it is to fire them, due to being in a union.

These 40 fucks are the most intentionally lazy, sloth like pieces of human shit and an embarrassment to the company and our customers.

You couldn't be more wrong.


I guarantee you’re unemployed sitting at home
 
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