Lawler spin against leg drag?

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  1. JosephDredd

    JosephDredd Gold Belt

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    I've been toying with something similar against a leg drag. If I act early enough I can spin to my hands/knees/feet or to a kneebar position. It's pretty scrambly and doesn't always go my way. Is it worth pursuing this as a counter to a leg drag?
     
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    You talking off a leg drag attempt?

    Cause if you're already 'leg-dragged' you probably don't have anything to kick off of to escape.

    Looks like Lawler just bails on closed guard and scrambles.
     
  3. Rubberman1

    Rubberman1 John Rambo Life Lessons

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    that wasn't a leg drag or anything close to it
     
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    Rubberman1 John Rambo Life Lessons

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    and to answer your other question NO because anyone who is likely any good at BJJ will take your back if you turn away from them in that scenario. just my two cents though
     
  5. JosephDredd

    JosephDredd Gold Belt

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    I've been forcing scrambles if I use the momentum of him pulling my leg to roll past his leg and roll over to all fours. If I'm late I just get leg-dragged.

    I'm asking because this motion seems instinctive to me and (if it's workable) I should be able to make it work, but on the other hand... making shit up instead of doing what better guys do has always retarded my progress.
     
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    JosephDredd Gold Belt

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    I am literally speechless. Thank you for your input.
     
  7. JosephDredd

    JosephDredd Gold Belt

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    This is the kind of reply I was hoping for. Coherent and relevant.
     
  8. Rubberman1

    Rubberman1 John Rambo Life Lessons

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    the last 5 words of this explain a lot. ill stop now
     
  9. BJJArsenal

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    Not a great idea to be honest.
     
  10. number9dream

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    How do you think new moves are discovered? Dont talk down on someone because they have an idea...
     
  11. GordoBarraBJJ

    GordoBarraBJJ Steel Belt

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    it's an mma fight and a little different than trying it in a straight up bjj match- if i do recall jake had been scrambled (hurt) a few times by then.

    thought it was pretty slick, for mma, since robbie is not really known as a ground guy.
     
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    Well he's right, it wasn't.
     
  13. JosephDredd

    JosephDredd Gold Belt

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    lol he sure was right. I shudder to think how this thread might have gone if he wasn't here to set me straight.
     
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    eembach Imperial Grandmaster Banned

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    I think there is some potential there, I'm gonna play with this. Thanks for sharing.
     
  15. dmesser2

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    he's basically just turtling and standing up. turtling off a leg drag is usually a sure way to give up your back. Worked for him because he kicked off the guy to create enough space so the other guy couldn't get on is back fast enough, you wouldn't have the leg in to be able to do this from a leg drag.
     
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    I think it's a really interesting idea. I'm gonna try it out. I think some of the posters need to recognize that OP isn't talking about a fully locked in leg drag position. Getting your foot on the hip for the kick away may be possible mid leg drag if your knee tuck pressure is strong.
     
  17. Ice 9 Cobra

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    The wrong leg is controlled for it to be similar to a leg drag. The leg he is pushing off with wouldn't be possible in a leg drag because that's the one that is controlled.
     
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    I agree. Because if you're dealing with an actual leg drag, this technique doesn't make sense, because your foot is past his hip, so there's nothing to push off. Moreover, if the leg drag is done properly, his base leg is not between your leg, so there's no kneebar.

    As far as using Lawler's technique to stand up from closed guard, I think it's a viable option.
     
  19. GordoBarraBJJ

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    maybe if you're super slick an arm-drag back take as well?
     
  20. BJJArsenal

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    turning your body the wrong way
     

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