Social Latinos outnumber whites in CA; majority in California wants treason by declaring independence from USA and border control against other states

[Pittie Petey]

I don't think they wanna be like you Puerto Ricans.

I dont even have the energy to respond

The idiocy in this thread has caused me to lose my smile, maybe forever...

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Texas isn't too bad either. It's number 8 and there is no state tax. Its why I'll never leave

Know what else Texas doesn't have?

A white majority

Sherfronters have assured me that this spells complete and total doom because no one will work, everyone's on welfare, you gotta press 1 for English, too many Mexican flags on pickup trucks, etc.

Yet Texas also keeps chugging along somehow.

Extremely puzzling!

 

[IDGETKTFO]

You mean like they originally were or something?

Yeah, i suppose so.

 

[My Spot]

So much for Shertifa claiming that hispanic people are white.

 

[Hog-train]

oh really?

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First one is a tiny 13 million dollar contract for a fire control system. The second one is a contract for a US BASED SUBSIDIARY.

I'm talking about the hundreds of billions the US spends on US contractors every single year. None or very little of that would go to a California based company.

On top of every single US military base in California now leaving.

swing and a miss.

again, we literally already do. i don't know how to make this any clearer to you.

right they will all just pack up and leave when they all have all the leverage. amazing.

yeah joplin, missouri will become the new tech capital of the world. sure thing brother.

Are you a retard?

You think the US Federal government is going to give highly sensitive tech like F-35 fighter jets or nuclear submarines to a foreign country's company?

[citation needed]

California is about 25-38 percent desert, depending on how you define it.

Only about 10-15% of their water is imported from outside the state (and that is virtually all from the Colorado River, as discussed).

Wrong. Much higher percentage.

SoCal plans to reduce imported water supplies by 2035

Record snowpack helps California keep water in Lake Mead

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Like I said in my previous post, these companies make up 1-2% of California's GDP. It's not as devastating as you're trying to make it out to be.

You're confusing two different things. California receives $71 billion annually in DIRECT federal spending which is the 1-2% you're talking about.

That doesn't account for the much larger pie - federal contracts to private companies that are in California - Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc.

Do you think California would be incapable of providing tax incentives of their own?

I'm talking about the US federal government not even being able to give some contracts to a foreign country's companies. Anything dealing with security, sensitive tech, military technology, etc.

Tax incentives are irrelevant when the US (minus Cali) is trying to find the next company designing their next gen fighter jet. They're not giving that contract to a foreign company.

If the US had the same debt per capita as California, it would only be $4 trillion in debt instead of $33 trillion. lol

Compared to most other first world nations, $270 billion in debt for a population of 40 million is not bad. They'd have to increase their debt per capita by a factor of 8 to get to US government levels of debt.

But California doesn't currently have it's own military, border security or any of those things. If they become their own nation, they'd have to pay for a brand new navy, army, air force, coast guard and everything from scratch. They would need to form their own FBI, their own CIA, etc.

How will they stop the cartels from flooding the new country with drugs? Oh yea they need to pay for a brand new DEA and border security.

Their debt would balloon.

Again, like with water needs, this is a challenge, but not remotely insurmountable. Even with their current programs they're more or less on pace to become clean-energy independent within the next 20 years or so. If needed, that could be expedited—and they could expand their current fossil fuel programs in the interim to help bridge that gap.

California's crude oil production has been steadily declining since its peak in 1986, reaching less than half of that output in recent years. They definitely do not have enough fossil fuels to be self sufficient.

On top of that, even if they tried the state's regulatory environment has made it really difficult to extract and develop its existing oil and gas reserves. They would be doing a complete U-turn on their environmental conservation principles.

Already went over this.



All true things, but none of which are out of the realm of possibility.

Bro - just admit the blatantly obvious. It would be a complete disaster. And also NEVER happening in a million years.

They would even have to adopt a brand new currency.

 

[Cajun]

Know what else Texas doesn't have?

A white majority

Sherfronters have assured me that this spells complete and total doom because no one will work, everyone's on welfare, you gotta press 1 for English, too many Mexican flags on pickup trucks, etc.

Yet Texas also keeps chugging along somehow.

Extremely puzzling!

I married a mexican and 3 mixed kids. Im a fan... whats your point? Even my in-laws family dont want illegals to compete for their jobs. 1 in 8 or 10 was illegal when I first moved to Texas in 2001. There is something to the strategy or why else leave it all open. No clue. But obviously too much unfettered immigration hurts. There is always a balance

 

[avenue94]

Labor will move if the companies are moving. And the companies will be forced to move if something as drastic as California seceding happens.

It will move if the moving cost is enough, and it would have to be quite high given that America isn't the only market for US tech.

Again, there's a reason Silicon Valley has remained the hub of tech even though living costs are so high.

 

[avenue94]

No but several companies have relocated their headquarters to Texas and offered incentives. No it's not easy and building a talent pool to choose from when a lot of it is already in one location meaning Silicon Valley is another problem. Even Exxon put their Global headquarters in Houston now. And several companies have put their stock in Texas. Just keeping the same pay.... cost of living is 40-45% cheaper so you give a lot of incentives.

They have and they aren't Apple, Microsoft or FAANG sized. It's too hard and expensive to move tens of thousands of high skill and in demand laborers.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

The US isn't gonna leave the west coastline in the hands of a bunch of limp wristed Californians to defend.

- I hope they do. If they do i wil invade.
Cannot wait to start my own contrie with my nephew.

 

[Hog-train]

It will move if the moving cost is enough, and it would have to be quite high given that America isn't the only market for US tech.

Again, there's a reason Silicon Valley has remained the hub of tech even though living costs are so high.

Most American tech companies largest customer base (by revenue) is the US itself.

 

[Cajun]

They have and they aren't Apple, Microsoft or FAANG sized. It's too hard and expensive to move tens of thousands of high skill and in demand laborers.

My point is there's a trend of relocating. I can't say for sure how the story ends. And if making yourself a new country will encourage that

 

[oldshadow]

I believe this was settled awhile back with that war and the Supreme Court ruling.

Just for fun if they did you secure the border to California and raise the prove of their water and electricity by 75% to make up any lose in revenue. You remove all fedural funds and programs including boarder control. Give a free pass out to illegals that want to go their.

Within 2 months the state would look like escape from NY.

 

[avenue94]

Most American tech companies largest customer base (by revenue) is the US itself.

And? Transactions aren't a one way relationship, just as entire markets are entirely substitutable, neither are providers and sellers.

My point is there's a trend of relocating. I can't say for sure how the story ends. And if making yourself a new country will encourage that

There is somewhat, but not a wholesale trend in moving the actual expensive labor. Like I said, Apple has dragged its feet on Research Triangle, and that's one of the most highly educated regions in the country.

 

[Whippy McGee]

No they wouldn't be better off. To believe that reveals a complete lack of critical thinking.

1. A large portion of California is desert and the state relies on importing water from the Colorado River. They wouldn't have access to this as a separate country.

2. Everyone loves to say how California has The world's 5th largest economy. Yes, California's GDP is better than many countries out there. They always seem to forget that a lot California's economic output is because it is in the United States. Federal contracts with defense, space, and technology companies add a lot to that GDP. If California were no longer a part of the Union, many of those contractors would follow the federal money and leave.

3. Then you have issue of businesses in California, many of them would choose to leave as well, because they would like to remain in the United States, have access to the 290 million Americans that don't live in California, without additional tariffs, fees and other encumbrances. Silicon Valley, and venture capitalists (which gives California a lot of tax revenue) would likely bail as well. Apple and all the tech companies would move.

4. That's not even mentioning the number of people who would rather remain citizens of The United States rather than become Citizens of the new Country of California and leave for points east. I have no clue as to how many it would be, certainly not everyone but it also wouldn't be an insignificant number either. Even polls say 20% of the people feel more American than Californian and only 30% said they feel more California than American, with the other half of the respondents feeling equally Californian and American.

5. California has difficulty balancing the budget now, while getting 33% of the budget from the feds. That is without having to secure their own borders, provide for their own defense, Many of the programs and policies that inspire the California should secede movement, would almost immediately be on the chopping block. Revenues and spending would have to be massively changed, or California would rapidly turn into a failed state.

Tax revenues lost from businesses and individuals (families) leaving, along with the loss of a serious chunk of the budget (from fed dollars) would quickly determine the need for reprioritization of expenditures. Now California would have to pay for military personnel, equipment; their own border patrol, their own intelligence agency, their own diplomatic infrastructure. They'd lose access to the FBI, DEA, etc.... How long until cartels move in and take charge of large territories the same way that they have in Mexico and other countries?

Excellent Post.

I'd like to add #6.

6. California produces 200 TWh of Electricity a year and uses 260 TWh a year. The shortfall is made up by fossil plants and one nuclear plant in Nevada and Arizona.

 

[deviake]

I believe this was settled awhile back with that war and the Supreme Court ruling.

Just for fun if they did you secure the border to California and raise the prove of their water and electricity by 75% to make up any lose in revenue. You remove all fedural funds and programs including boarder control. Give a free pass out to illegals that want to go their.

Within 2 months the state would look like escape from NY.

California, IIRC, pays 100 billion more to the Federali than they receive so not sure your point there. They're also the 4th largest economy in the world and 1 in 8 Americans is Californian. So on. It would fuck over the rest of the country, particularly red states

 

[Whippy McGee]

Damn it... am I going to have to move? Can I keep my California home for vacations or will these Democrat scumbags tax me into selling it?

 

[Revolver]

Imagine eating breakfast tacos or Cali burritos with corn tortillas lol.

Tacos belong in corn tortillas. Stop being a can

 

[oldshadow]

California, IIRC, pays 100 billion more to the Federali than they receive so not sure your point there. They're also the 4th largest economy in the world and 1 in 8 Americans is Californian. So on. It would fuck over the rest of the country, particularly red states

We would do just fine and could make up any money needed with charges for services they need to survive. Or we could just cut off their water and electricity. Then opening the boarder one way to them for illegals. No federal contracts for any business and other state government would be able to do business with them. Then we raise the import tax on any goods they try to ship in. That's just a start.

This however can not happen as I stated.

 

[Bob Gray]

As a white guy in California, Im sick of being hassled by The Man.

 

[deviake]

We would do just fine and could make up any money needed with charges for services they need to survive. Or we could just cut off their water and electricity. Then opening the boarder one way to them for illegals. No federal contracts for any business and other state government would be able to do business with them. Then we raise the import tax on any goods they try to ship in. That's just a start.

This however can not happen as I stated.

Could. There's a lot of "could" you're leaving out like their contributions to the country which are massive and not easily replaced. Again, 4th largest economy in the world. As far as the border, it'd be their border with Mexico so I don't know how the Federali closes that being that Cali would be a sovereign nation. The surplus they pay to the Federali which subsidizes other states would reinvested. They'd certainly have to solve the electricity issue but that would also depend on their relations with the US, in which certain states, btw, get electricity from Canada.

I also absolutely think the west coast (OR, WA) would be unified with them too.