I caught a couple old fights and saw some pretty bad ref stoppages. How long would someone have to be out cold while still getting choked like this before there could be some serious consequences? GIFs here are basically real time speed I think. Milton Vieira vs Sterling Ford Kim Couture vs Sheila Bird Also, this isn't a rhetorical question, but how is the following stopped by a ref without a tap, but the latter wasn't? Is it just up to each judge's discretion?