Kyokushin kicks

[Twelvepack]

Do kyokushin style roundhouse kicks strike with the shin or foot? Also do they ever strike with the top of the foot or do they point the foot down, bend the toes back and strike with the ball of the foot?

Also in muay thai is it ok to sometimes head kick them with the foot?

 

[Frode Falch]

Yes. To all those questions

 

[Hotora86]

Yes

 

[StonedLemur]

As my esteemed colleagues @Frode Falch and @Hotora86 have said...yes.

 

[shinkyoku]

Yes.
Kyokushin kicks with the shin, the foot or the ball of the foot, as opportunity and personal preference calls for.

Yes.
Muay thai occasionally kick with the foot or even (if only very rarely in the modern sport form) with the ball of the foot.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Also in muay thai is it ok to sometimes head kick them with the foot?

You do it hard enough and you’ll definitely get the knockout but there’s a good chance. You will also break some thing in your foot.

 

[shinkyoku]

You do it hard enough and you’ll definitely get the knockout but there’s a good chance. You will also break some thing in your foot.

strangely that almost never happens when karate guys knock out people with the foot in tournaments. Its almost as if it helps to have trained how to do it.

 

[Trabaho]

Yes.
Kyokushin kicks with the shin, the foot or the ball of the foot, as opportunity and personal preference calls for.

Yes.
Muay thai occasionally kick with the foot or even (if only very rarely in the modern sport form) with the ball of the foot.

Ball of the foot is according to google the top of your sole ? That's how all front kicks / teeps are done.

 

[shinkyoku]

Ball of the foot is according to google the top of your sole ? That's how all front kicks / teeps are done.

Yes, but we are talking about roundhouse kicks here. Not frontkicks. (actually there are other ways to hit with a front kick too, but...)

 

[Trabaho]

Yes, but we are talking about roundhouse kicks here. Not frontkicks. (actually there are other ways to hit with a front kick too, but...)

Ball of foot roundhouse sounds super rare. Almost like a hybrid front kick roundhose. To be tricky or you're out of range and can only connect it with that part.
Other ways to front kick. Slam the whole sole into the body. Just touch with the toes, my toes would break if I did that often enough.

 

[shinkyoku]

Ball of foot roundhouse sounds super rare. Almost like a hybrid front kick roundhouse. To be tricky or you're out of range and can only connect it with that part.

Roundhouse kicks with the ball of the foot is not a hybrid. it is actually the main way of doing it in many karate styles.

(This guy is shotokan karate if I remember right.)

It is more difficult to hit with correctly, sure, but very good when you do.

Other ways to front kick. Slam the whole sole into the body. Just touch with the toes, my toes would break if I did that often enough.

Frontkick with the heel is a common variation and taught in kyokushin and many karare styles. it is not commonly done to the head in fighting, but Ive seen that too.
Front kick with the point of the toes is a very unusual version, but it exists. And as always, it helps if you train how to do it. Do it by accident or without knowing how (and where) and you might very well break the toes. Of course, if you wear a shoe (as in savate -where point toe kick are the basic version in both front and roundhousekick, or even in self defense) the point toe kick becomes much more useful.

 

[Trabaho]

Roundhouse kicks with the ball of the foot is not a hybrid. it is actually the main way of doing it in many karate styles.

(This guy is shotokan karate if I remember right.)

It is more difficult to hit with correctly, sure, but very good when you do.


Frontkick with the heel is a common variation and taught in kyokushin and many karare styles. it is not commonly done to the head in fighting, but Ive seen that too.
Front kick with the point of the toes is a very unusual version, but it exists. And as always, it helps if you train how to do it. Do it by accident or without knowing how (and where) and you might very well break the toes. Of course, if you wear a shoe (as in savate -where point toe kick are the basic version in both front and roundhousekick, or even in self defense) the point toe kick becomes much more useful.

Lol he high kicked with his toes. Would work as a eye poke with your feet. My toes would hurt doing that. I see no point in it. Maybe speed and angle.

 

[shinkyoku]

Lol he high kicked with his toes. Would work as a eye poke with your feet. My toes would hurt doing that. I see no point in it. Maybe speed and angle.

Smaller impact area.
Your opinions are yours to hold. Noone is forcing you to add it to your arsenal.
I have seen enough KOs with ball of the foot roundkicks to know they work just fine (and they tell me one that KOd me worked just fine too -but I dont remember that one very well). And I have most certainly kicked enough myself to know that you can do them just fine full contact to head and body without breaking your toes.

 

[WDSTK]

In TKD, the ball of the foot was used for breaking multiple boards. However the breaks I remember were at waist high and mostly black belts. Seems breaking boards high with the ball of your foot would be more riskier to breaking toes.

 

[Trabaho]

Smaller impact area.
Your opinions are yours to hold. Noone is forcing you to add it to your arsenal.
I have seen enough KOs with ball of the foot roundkicks to know they work just fine (and they tell me one that KOd me worked just fine too -but I dont remember that one very well). And I have most certainly kicked enough myself to know that you can do them just fine full contact to head and body without breaking your toes.

Would you provide some of these style kicks for me to watch. I watch kickboxing and mma, rarely Muay Thai. So I never seen that style of kick.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

Would you provide some of these style kicks for me to watch. I watch kickboxing and mma, rarely Muay Thai. So I never seen that style of kick.

Rashad Evans vs Lil Nog

 

[DoctorTaco]

Roundhouse kicks with the ball of the foot is not a hybrid. it is actually the main way of doing it in many karate styles.

(This guy is shotokan karate if I remember right.)

It is more difficult to hit with correctly, sure, but very good when you do.


Frontkick with the heel is a common variation and taught in kyokushin and many karare styles. it is not commonly done to the head in fighting, but Ive seen that too.
Front kick with the point of the toes is a very unusual version, but it exists. And as always, it helps if you train how to do it. Do it by accident or without knowing how (and where) and you might very well break the toes. Of course, if you wear a shoe (as in savate -where point toe kick are the basic version in both front and roundhousekick, or even in self defense) the point toe kick becomes much more useful.

I’ve got a pro mma fighter with a kickboxing background at the gym I hold pads for regularly. He’s got a nasty left round kick to the liver he uses the ball of the foot for. Fucker can almost drop me through my belly pad when he throws it hard and catches me by surprise

 

[Intermission]

Ball of foot roundhouse sounds super rare. Almost like a hybrid front kick roundhose. To be tricky or you're out of range and can only connect it with that part.
Other ways to front kick. Slam the whole sole into the body. Just touch with the toes, my toes would break if I did that often enough.

Chuck Norris KOs with a ball of the foot Roundhouse kick here

 

[Intermission]

Kyokushin fighters don't move their hips like Chuck does there .

Kyokushin guys etc have pretty static hips when kicking which has its benefits but it does reduce power. Less mass into the target

 

[Trabaho]

I’ve got a pro mma fighter with a kickboxing background at the gym I hold pads for regularly. He’s got a nasty left round kick to the liver he uses the ball of the foot for. Fucker can almost drop me through my belly pad when he throws it hard and catches me by surprise

I habe thought about that kick too. Hbrid round house and toe teep. But seems risky to not break your toe.
This one guy in Japan at LW used to do it. Kikuno. The one Tony dumped with boxing in his debut.