Kodokan vs Russian Judo

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I was looking up shit on Judo and found out about the Russian style, but I haven't found much about it. what the difference between Russian Judo and the typical Kodokan style?
 
philodox said:
From what I understand one of the founders of Sambo was a Kodokan Judo practitioner, so Sambo has a heavy influence from Kodokan. So I think the better comparison here is Kodokan vs. Sambo.
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Apparently according to google there actually IS a "Russian Judo" totally separate from Sambo. I thought Sambo at first too tbh.
 
philodox said:
From what I understand one of the founders of Sambo was a Kodokan Judo practitioner, so Sambo has a heavy influence from Kodokan. So I think the better comparison here is Kodokan vs. Sambo.
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I know of the Sambo Judo connection and the basic rule differences but there apparently Russian Judo and I can't find more details besides the name.
 
witchbrow said:
I was looking up shit on Judo and found out about the Russian style, but I haven't found much about it. what the difference between Russian Judo and the typical Kodokan style?
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The only difference I have seen is that Russians like to use throws that involve using the belt when throwing....and they sometimes mix a Georgian Style of Wrestling with there Judo.

The belt thing is not done by alot Judo guys because in international rules you can only hold it for 5 seconds...

I myself teach some techniques using the belt...I call it the Russian Grip.... it is even good to use to the belt to keep a guy in your guard......if you control his torso he can't do too much
 
I read somewhere a while ago that it's more based on power as in it takes a lot from wrestling.
 
Igor Yakimov's Russian Judo is a fantastic DVD set and can really flesh out their approach to the game. I think I bought my copy for like 30ish maybe 40ish, I've rewatched it more than any of my other sets, I think that highly of it. It's a video that you can revisit it every 6 months or so and you'll pick something up that your brain didn't grab onto because your grappling IQ wasn't there yet.
 
I'm Igor Kurinnoy's North American Representative and editor of his Sambo for Professionals series. I have also trained in Russia/ former Soviet Bloc countries on 13 occasions.
I would like to add some perspective based on my experiences training with the Russian Team. In MOST cases if you're a judoka you're also a sambo wrestler. Most judo clubs are also sambo clubs, there are strictly judo or strictly sambo clubs but they are rare. In my opinion branding Russian judo "strength based" is incorrect. It takes the same amount of technique and agility to execute a Gadavlia (Khabarelli in judo circles) that it does an uchimata. I've seen a Russian throw a typical Russian technique and then throw a typically classical Japanese technique in the same match.

Is their judo influenced by sambo and the other folk styles of the former Bloc Republics--absolutely but it also was influenced by Japan. One of the orginal founders of sambo was a Russian named Vassily Oschepkov who held a nidan from the Kodokan.
 
In general japanese like to use only the Kodokan throws, executed with perfection, and the so called Russian Judo uses greater variety of throws, borrowed from wrestling and some local grappling styles. Not so beautiful but more effective.
Also in Russian Judo you can see a Kodokan throw executed in variation, which actually makes it a different throw- a judo and wrestling hybrid with its own name. Example: Kataguruma in Kodokan is one exact throw and in Russian Judo thats like myriad of throws, based on the same mechanic of the move, but executed from different angles and positions.
 
^^ Labeling it "more effective" is incorrect. Especially considering Japan is the most dominant force in Judo and always has been.
 
^^ From what I have found, Judokas from Russis/USSR have done well in international competitions.
 
Onq said:
In general japanese like to use only the Kodokan throws, executed with perfection, and the so called Russian Judo uses greater variety of throws, borrowed from wrestling and some local grappling styles. Not so beautiful but more effective.
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Do you have names of these Russian Judo throws so I can look them up?





Onq said:
Also in Russian Judo you can see a Kodokan throw executed in variation, which actually makes it a different throw- a judo and wrestling hybrid with its own name. Example: Kataguruma in Kodokan is one exact throw and in Russian Judo thats like myriad of throws, based on the same mechanic of the move, but executed from different angles and positions.
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LOL are you claiming that if you perform a throw differently than the classic way, using different angles and positions then it becomes Russian Judo? I had no idea that Koga was Russian. Though it explains why he did things differently
 
don't you know that everything is judo? Before the japanese people didn't wear jackets. everything is less technical if not from japan and oh wrestling is all about strength
 
nefti said:
don't you know that everything is judo? Before the japanese people didn't wear jackets. everything is less technical if not from japan and oh wrestling is all about strength
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