Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by togakure, Dec 31, 2012.
The reality is: History tells us that it
I can't take people seriously who are comparing GSP v. Serra 1 to JDS v. Cain 1.
Serra was not a KO artist or devastating striker. Sure he's got some good KOs but he never KO'd a top 10 opponent besides GSP. JDS KO'd several top 10 opponents and has battered everybody he has faced via striking. So how are these two similar in any way besides the fact that they ended quickly via KO?
They are similar by the fact that the better more well rounded fighter lost very quickly.
If Herb hadn't jumped in, JDS could have "dominated" Cain's corpse for 30 minutes. Cain went to sleep. It doesn't get more "dominating" than that.
I would take domination over KO any to time as a factor to determine who the better fighter is.
I'd disagree there, granted we hadnt seen a ton of it but to me the TUF performance made it clear Serra had become a pretty dangerous striker and we saw it afterwards aswell vs Hughes and Trigg.
GSP looking to stand and trade with Serra was always IMHO taking a significant risk and I think Matt did to some extent "expose" him as having rather questionable boxing defence, since then GSP has never fought a dangerous standup opponant in that fashion again.
GSP did not dominate Serra standing in the rematch and proove it was a fluke, rather he switched tactics and beat him on the ground instead.
The difference here is I'd say that it was really clear GSP had the advanatge using those tactics to the extent there was no need to see it again, espeically after Hughes beat Serra via ground control aswell. JDS/Cain to me is much less clear, in the rematch Velasquez got the best of him standing but it was obviously more competitive than GSP/Serra 2.
When you look at JDS's history of landing KO's and defending takedowns plus Cains history of showing a questionable defence it to me gives the impression that first match was less of a "one off".
Ko means you done the job faster
theres some truth in what your saying
Me personally I dont think the Serra/GSP KO was as lucky as people make it out to be.Serra was actually landing some good shots on GSP before the even hurt GSP.
I wouldnt say GSP "just got caught"
i find you're name offensive.
Are you serious?? Good thing this isn't "kill or be killed'
A kayo can happen anywhere but for someone to not be able to win a SINGLE round. That is more impressive.
I can't take you seriously then. They are reasonable comparisons. All the bullshit excuses you can come up with in the world won't change that.
I find you are name offensive.
Dominant tooling >>>>>>> Early KO from a heavyweight
Lol. So since Serra's KO over GSP was after the three minute mark it's TOTALLY DIFFERENT than JDS' KO over the vastly superior Cain.
In this case I disagree, Cain had really won this fight in the first round, granted I think that win was still the result of more sustain supremacy than JDS win but Jnr lasting 20 more mins is really the result of him being so tough and then Cain himself slowing down, those next four rounds were clearly not JDS at anywhere close to his best.
I'd rather get kayo'd early on than have to suffer 25mins.
So if you knock out your opponent in 10 seconds and in the rematch you get knocked out in 20 seconds, the other fighter is better because he took longer to win. Gtfo. Cain was trying the whole fight to finish jr. Difference is that jr did in 2 minutes what Cain tried to do in 25.
Spin it how you want. This is the truth
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