Knees and kicks to downed opponents needs to return

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  1. Dessyboy

    Dessyboy Green Belt

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    Really makes a lot of difference on the ground as Rizin showed

    Stops a lot of stalling and bullshit ground tactics
     
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    I always liked it, especially the Kevin Randleman "skyscraper" knees.

    Won't be brought back though. Athletic commission and average fan thinks the sport is brutal as is. I don't really disagree.
     
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    Irishwhiskey119 Banned Banned

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    Won't happen.

    Way too many pussy MMA fans bitching about late stoppages and concussions.

    All of the insane early stoppages we see from fighters hitting turtled up opponent gloves yet Heath Herring can eat those massive shots over and over then come back and probably get the win in the 3rd round had they had one.

    PC generation really fuck shit up for the rest of us so just need to be thankful that other countries are different and allow those strikes. Soccer kicks and strikes to a downed opponent have no business being outlawed when you can hit lethal head kicks legally now anyway.
     
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  5. Dessyboy

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    Stomps shouldn't be allowed though

    ok compromise would be knees to downed opponent and kicks to the body but not the head of a downed opponent
     
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    If the opponent is getting stomped, the fight should have been stopped! It's refs job!
     
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    DrunkMonkMeth Brown Belt

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    stomps will = deaths.
     
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    Weuylf Life is Hard

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    I like it as it is. Would probably be more entertaining with knees and kicks to somebody on the floor but no stomps. Stomps are painful to watch even honestly.
     
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    kicks/ to the body of a grounded opponent are already allowed
    except they didn't in PRIDE, and haven't in One FC
     
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    Its a matter of getting used to it. Any strike on the ground would look barbaric if you arent used to it.
     
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    There is no skill to stomping an opponent or throwing soccer kicks. Its just pure brutality, and I'm sure none of you who are in favour want to see your favourite fighter get stomped or hit with soccer kicks. Keep that shit in the favelas.
     
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    No one died in pride..
     
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    Stfu stomping takes precision
     
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    There is absolutely no skill behind a stomp. You know nothing.
     
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    Yeah, that's never coming back.
     
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    Stomps and kicks are illegal not because of the danger, but because of how they appear visually to represent someone defenceless getting mobbed. If you know how to defend yourself, a stomp, kick, or knee, are not something to be feared or unavoidable damage. They enforce more realistic and basic fundamentals of real fighting - keeping your balance and staying on your feet. No more flopping, weird wrestling tactics, or pulling guard, that unnatural shit will get you punished in a real fight.

    The sport of mixed martial arts is about using tactics that actually work in real scenarios which don't permanently maim or kill your opponent. As it stands, nobody has ever gotten hurt more from kicks than punches, elbows, or jumping knees.

    It's all visual, north america culture has a strong undercurrent of fear about gangs and gang warfare, especially the more protected viewers. So soccer kicks fill them with dread and fear, even though they're not any more dangerous if you're defending yourself than a punch.
     
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    I watched a ONE FC card live in Bangkok last spring, and after seeing a soccer kick to the head I am glad that they don't have that in the UFC. Me and my buddies were all surprised the guy didn't end up with a broken neck. We've all been mma fans for a long time, but we all found that one disgusting.
     
  18. Bobby Boulders

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    All of the serious talent should just go fight in Rizin.
     
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    I would say there the least important of the "Pride moves" in that they don't provide as obvious a counter to a negative tactic as knees and soccer kicks do.

    One issue I think you do need to mention though is that the fenced cage is a different environment from the ring and I think there is more risk for someone getting trapped against it. Really though I think you could kill two birds with one stone there as IMHO the fixed fence is just as bad or worse a source of cheap tactics(cage clinching, wall walking, trying to limit opponents defence up against the cage, etc), switch it for some kind of supported netting that has more give to it and reintroduce knees on the ground and I think you have a superior sport.

    The Japanese policy on standups I think needs to come to the UFC as well, just laying in guard and throwing the odd weak "busy punch/elbow" with no threat behind it should not be counted as "action", either look to improve position, look for a submission or look to land good GnP or have the ref stand you up after a minute or so.
     
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    Yea and only stop the fight once someone dies.
     

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