Kimura from bottom of half guard low percentage?

[Graciebarra 847]

I notice that this is a position that I get in fairly often yet it seems I rarely get the tap from this position. I know I am probably missing a detail.


Does anyone find this move to be high percentage once you lock it up?

 

[redaxe]

I know it's possible to get it from bottom half guard but I never do. I like it when guys attempt it on me because I step over their head with my free leg and kimura them back.

 

[SprawlanStall]

One detail I was missing was straightening out my legs fully.

 

[davejitsu]

Best to use it as a sweep and then kimura from side control (when they defend tough)

 

[redaxe]

Best to use it as a sweep and then kimura from side control (when they defend tough)

Yeah, I've actually seen this happen a lot of times, in half guard either the bottom or top guy goes for a kimura and then they roll across the mat, one guy trying to finish and the other guy rolling to defend it. Letting yourself get swept relieves the pressure, sweeping the guy is good but you have to be able to stop the roll to finish the hold.

 

[pointblank]

I tend to catch this maybe 25% of the time I try it.

 

[Graciebarra 847]

I tend to catch this maybe 25% of the time I try it.

That is actually better than my percentage. Mine has to be in the single digits. I am sure I am missing a detail on it. I am sure if I had the mechanics right I would probably finish it around 25 percent of the time. Seems very hard especially against stronger opponents.

 

[Calibur]

I get it (or some kind of sweep off the reaction) all the time. The only thing really bad about the kimura from bottom half is the setup forces you to be in a position that doesnt have many options.

Anyway, the kimura from bottom half is about winning two races.

The first race is to get both your shoulders anchored to the floor before your opponent can pull you up.

The second race is to get your ear next to your opponents hip to get the leverage to break your opponents grip. Once you win this race you will get the tap or the sweep. Even if the opponent gets sidecontrol as long as you got what you need you can tap him from under side.

it is not low percentage, just neglected. Besides, people with good halfguard fundamentals never allow themselves to be in a position where the bottom half kimura would work best.

 

[_Tyler]

I don't really go for it. I have a hard enough time finishing the kimura from full guard on the people around my level or higher let alone from half guard. Maybe that's just because I'm one of the smaller people, and the kimura seems to require a bit of strength to finish on the stronger guys.

 

[Calibur]

Maybe that's just because I'm one of the smaller people, and the kimura seems to require a bit of strength to finish on the stronger guys.

No it doesn't.

 

[andrewdabeast]

I catch it quite often, but I use to sweep, and then submit once I get to the top. (yes I know this looks sloppy, and I know I didnt step over the head.. already heard it from my coach)
My coach said to finish from the bottom you have to get your hips out to the opposite side or if you have the modified kimura grip get your feet in the hips and bring your knee to his shoulder to keep his posture down.

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

I get it (or some kind of sweep off the reaction) all the time. The only thing really bad about the kimura from bottom half is the setup forces you to be in a position that doesnt have many options.

Anyway, the kimura from bottom half is about winning two races.

The first race is to get both your shoulders anchored to the floor before your opponent can pull you up.

The second race is to get your ear next to your opponents hip to get the leverage to break your opponents grip. Once you win this race you will get the tap or the sweep. Even if the opponent gets sidecontrol as long as you got what you need you can tap him from under side.

it is not low percentage, just neglected. Besides, people with good halfguard fundamentals never allow themselves to be in a position where the bottom half kimura would work best.

You finish kimuras on bottom from side control? What do you do if the guy steps over tries to arm bar you? The few times I've tried kimura from bottom half guard I give it up once I happen to lose my guard because I feel like that arm bar is pretty dangerous.

 

[Ice 9 Cobra]

No it doesn't.

Marcelo Garcia disagrees.

 

[Stephan Kesting]

There's a lot of great advice in this thread. I agree that it more often ends up being a sweep than a submission, but the thing is that you end up on top with a Kimura grip, so pursuing the submission once you get on top is relatively easy!

And remember that you can use the grip to sweep him in TWO major directions: one is over top of you, but if he resists you can bridge into him (well, into him at an angle, a little towards your own head) and take him backwards instead.

Stephan

 

[SprawlanStall]

You finish kimuras on bottom from side control? What do you do if the guy steps over tries to arm bar you? The few times I've tried kimura from bottom half guard I give it up once I happen to lose my guard because I feel like that arm bar is pretty dangerous.

If you have the kimura deep and pinch him against you with your knees you can get it. Then again maybe if a guy is fighting like in competition he will get out.

 

[Stephan Kesting]

Oh, and also try this. It works really well!

 

[Calibur]

Marcelo Garcia disagrees.

And there are black belts who disagree with Marcelo Garcia.

FTR I'm pretty sure Marcelo was talking about the kimura from north/south/ top side.

 

[Rod1]

Marcelo Garcia disagrees.

Both are right.

The kimura is harder against stronger guys because you can recruit far more muscle from a stronger position, usually the starting point of the kimura to defend you have the pectoralis major, and the anterior and lateral deltoids, these are STRONG muscles.

Sure the guy doing the kimura has the whole upperbody rotation, but then again he also needs to keep control of his opponent which is harder from halfguard, so it requires some strength and explosiveness.

However once the arm crosses the body the ability to recruit the pectoralis dissappears and the deltoids are in a very weak position, so it requires little strength.

Think of it as an squat, saying the kimura doesnt requires strength to finish is a half truth, sure "finish" is when you are fully extended so if you count from the second half portion of the lift then it doesnt requires much strength, but the hard part its the bottom of the squat.

 

[Calibur]

You finish kimuras on bottom from side control? What do you do if the guy steps over tries to arm bar you? The few times I've tried kimura from bottom half guard I give it up once I happen to lose my guard because I feel like that arm bar is pretty dangerous.

Yeah. Like I said. Once, the kimura grip is on, and your head is next to the opponents hip, you've won the battle. As long as your head stays connected to the opponents hip you should be fine. You don't get armbarred until you lose that connection/allow space to be created.

 

[Shemhazai]

When I do it, I like to throw my outside leg over and put my foot on his far hip. It makes it easier to yank his arm out if he hugs it, it makes it harder for him to posture, and I can transition easily into tornado guard, a belly-down armbar or a back-take.