Khabib vs. Ferguson = GSP vs. Condit?

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Condit and Tony are very similar fighters. Great striking with great submissions and elbows off their backs. They both have amazing cardio as well. You could say that Tony has better wrestling that Condit, but he still gets taken down a lot in his fights. Also Khabib is a better wrestler than GSP. They both accept being off their backs, though.

The fight could very well turn out to look like GSP vs Condit. A bloody fight where both men get some strong offense in, but ultimately the wrestling pedigree and control wins the fight for the victor.

Thoughts?
 
There are always caveats to comparisons like this, but I think there is some relevance to it, and I think the result is the same, but with less time spent standing.
 
Not really, Condit was never a big submission threat (he had submissions but didn't submit many high level opponents) and Condit is legendary for having the worst TDD ever (none whatsoever) while Tony is a wrestler. The only similarities are that one fighter is the more dominant wrestler whose takedowns are almost impossible to stop, both have great conditioning, and both Tony and Condit like being soaked in blood.
 
Watching the Kevin Lee - Tony fight yesterday, I started to worry. If Kevin could have the success he was having on the ground in the first...what can Khabib do?
 
GordonMMARamsey said:
Watching the Kevin Lee - Tony fight yesterday, I started to worry. If Kevin could have the success he was having on the ground in the first...what can Khabib do?
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He can do the thing he always does.
Takedown, tie up and slowly grind ppl into hamburger meat.
Khabib UD IMO.
 
Hotora86 said:
He can do the thing he always does.
Takedown, tie up and slowly grind ppl into hamburger meat.
Khabib UD IMO.
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This is what I'm afraid of. I grew up near Tony, so I have some hometown favoritism if you want to call it that. I'd love to see him get the belt, I dont know how he does it. He gets cracked it seems like in every fight. And though he has great subs/scrambles I'm worried Khabib will get him down and keep him there. I guess we'll see. I hope its a fun one.
 
GordonMMARamsey said:
Watching the Kevin Lee - Tony fight yesterday, I started to worry. If Kevin could have the success he was having on the ground in the first...what can Khabib do?
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khabib SMESH

this will be his easiest fight in a long time
except it won't happen because they are both pull out artists
 
That's a good comparison. Similar enough stylistically.

But I would argue that Khabib and Tony are both more complete fighters than GSP and Condit.
 
Was Condit ever really considered some kind of BJJ wizard?
 
GordonMMARamsey said:
This is what I'm afraid of. I grew up near Tony, so I have some hometown favoritism if you want to call it that. I'd love to see him get the belt, I dont know how he does it. He gets cracked it seems like in every fight. And though he has great subs/scrambles I'm worried Khabib will get him down and keep him there. I guess we'll see. I hope its a fun one.
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Look at what really happens in the 1st round though.

Tony let's Lee mount him by completely disrespecting his ground game, then Lee does his best to GNP Tony from mount but does 0 significant damage. Tony just blocks and rolls with all those punches on the ground, and then regains guard.

Not to mention that Lee is a lot more explosive and damaging wit his GNP than Khabib.
 
IndyCovaHart said:
Was Condit ever really considered some kind of BJJ wizard?
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Going into the GSP fight he had 13 finishes by submission in 33 fights, at one point he had 5 sub wins in 6 fights. No, he was never Maia. But his submissions were well respected.
 
Karuzo said:
Look at what really happens in the 1st round though.

Tony let's Lee mount him by completely disrespecting his ground game, then Lee does his best to GNP Tony from mount but does 0 significant damage. Tony just blocks and rolls with all those punches on the ground, and then regains guard.

Not to mention that Lee is a lot more explosive and damaging wit his GNP than Khabib.
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I'm rewatching it again right now and he's landing some real nice punches and elbows at the end of that round. He really starts swinging once he realizes he has 10 seconds to work and that's when tony is able to scramble. If he get's in that position with a full minute to work, he might have ended Tony right there.


Lee might be more explosive, but that works in his opponents favor. If you can survive the storm, there's a great chance he's going to slow down. Khabib just seems to always be there, working away. I still hope I'm wrong and Tony can do what the others couldn't but I'm not getting too excited.
 
GordonMMARamsey said:
I'm rewatching it again right now and he's landing some real nice punches and elbows at the end of that round. He really starts swinging once he realizes he has 10 seconds to work and that's when tony is able to scramble. If he get's in that position with a full minute to work, he might have ended Tony right there.


Lee might be more explosive, but that works in his opponents favor. If you can survive the storm, there's a great chance he's going to slow down. Khabib just seems to always be there, working away. I still hope I'm wrong and Tony can do what the others couldn't but I'm not getting too excited.
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I'm about to go rewatch rn, but I remember being really impressed with how well Tony defended himself and how he was able to regain guard despite being mounted by such an explosive/powerful wrestler.
 
But remember Lee mounted him in the center of the canvas. Khabib always wrestles by pressuring his opponents to the fence and the las time he tried takedowns in the open he almost lost the fight (Tibau). Whoever wins depends on who can pressure whom. If Khabib can get Tony to the fence, he wins. If he can't he loses.
 
It will be like Benson Henderson vs Diaz except Khabib will be more violent and probably finish him
 
Khabib = GSP?

LMAO no, GSP is an all time great and one of the most well rounded fighters that's ever fought. Khabibs striking is nowhere NEAR the level.

Please, dont disrespect GSP like that.
 
ChaelSonnen said:
Condit and Tony are very similar fighters. Great striking with great submissions and elbows off their backs. They both have amazing cardio as well. You could say that Tony has better wrestling that Condit, but he still gets taken down a lot in his fights. Also Khabib is a better wrestler than GSP. They both accept being off their backs, though.

The fight could very well turn out to look like GSP vs Condit. A bloody fight where both men get some strong offense in, but ultimately the wrestling pedigree and control wins the fight for the victor.

Thoughts?
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Condit and Tony are terrible at defensive striking but carlos is actually the better technician with his punches and kicks, tony ´s pressure and volume is just insane.
 
Good parallel.

Tony is like the best parts of Condit and Nick Diaz and Khabib is like a less fluid and less dynamic version of GSP (but also more resilient).
 
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