Khabib is the most complete grappler to ever compete in MMA

God, ill be happy when this fight is over. Nuthuggers on both sides are annoying.

Conor by KO
OR
Khabib by wrestle-fuck

Thats the fight. Thats it. Get over it.

But which one will it be?!

You know damn well you're gonna watch.

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you just don't have the right pun yet. guarantee you have a word doc that opens with khabib nurmago"blanket"
nickname not catchy enough, but close.
 
Well his point was that Khabib would be helpless against Tim Johnson.

1. I wouldn't be too sure about Khabib being "helpless", tbh.
2. Even if that's the case, so what? Henry Cejudo is the best wrestler in the UFC but DC and Romero would easily manhandle him. He's still a better wrestler in his division, compared to them in theirs.
 
Khabib is the most complete grappler in mma history, he's great at everything except a blast double leg, even those he had some nice ones against NCAA wrestler Healy.

Also Ferguson does not have way better subs than Khabib, Khabib is great off his back but he's only been on his back one in his ufc career. That time he almost choked Trujillo out with a triangle.
 
Here's a couple of guys that disagree.

Not a chance. Did you not see Barnett get ragdolled and bashed helplessly on the ground by DC? Saku has been nullified plenty of times in grappling. His career is overblown for beating a few one-dimensional Gracies back when their name was all.

Great MMA grapplers, but far from GSP and Khabib territory.
 
If you're below MW you immediately disqualify yourself in any "complete" discussion.

NEWS FLASH: SIZE AND STRENGTH are vital in grappling. If you're a LW you're way too small to be effective against decent HW grapplers regardless of how P4P skilled you are, which means no, you're not complete.

That makes no sense...


So you mean Hong Man Choi or Bob Sapp would be considered a more "complete" grappler than MM or Cejudo? Sure, Choi and Sapp aren't "decent" grapplers, but they are also above the HW limit as well (by like nearly a 100lbs!).
 
Motivated BJ is the most complete grappler ever.

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BJ is a "coulda been".

Definitely had the most potential. Khabib comes second to GSP imo, but BJ had was a naturally better grappler than both.

Imagine if this guy didn't spend his career scoffing burritos, drinking beer and hanging around pubs between training sessions?
 
^ Agreed, BJ was too talented for his own good. You can only go so long at the top without taking care of yourself. I do think in terms of skill sets at their peak though his was the most complete.
 
Not a chance. Did you not see Barnett get ragdolled and bashed helplessly on the ground by DC? Saku has been nullified plenty of times in grappling. His career is overblown for beating a few one-dimensional Gracies back when their name was all.

Great MMA grapplers, but far from GSP and Khabib territory.
This thread is about "COMPLETE grapplers". aka High level in ALL aspects of grappling. Submissions, wrestling, takedowns ETC.
 
That makes no sense...


So you mean Hong Man Choi or Bob Sapp would be considered a more "complete" grappler than MM or Cejudo? Sure, Choi and Sapp aren't "decent" grapplers, but they are also above the HW limit as well (by like nearly a 100lbs!).

Nope, not at all. If you break down the attributes that make up grappling, it will look something like this:

physical abilities (size, strength, speed, endurance, flexibility, reaction timing)
takedown ability
top control
passing ability
submission ability

People like HMC would have off the charts numbers in "physical abilities", but very low numbers in other attributes. Small grapplers at LW would have very low numbers in physical abilities, but very high numbers in other categories. Neither should be considered a "complete grappler build".

A complete build, like a complete build in an RPG, is a character with great stats in every single key category, e.g. a big strong grappler who's also very technical. GSP/Khabib are like builds with very low ATK, DEF and HP, but very high every thing else. HMC's build has high ATK, DEF and HP, but very low everything else. Neither are complete.
 
Kabib is up there for ability to get takedowns, but once he has them down his grappling isn't anywhere near as good as a GSP or Jon Jones, not to mention Barnett, Werdum, Maia, Fitch, Shields, Penn etc. and a host of others (they lacks TDs to Kabibs level though). Talking quality of opposition - Kabib has only fought three top guys and even then Johnson and Barboza aren't world beaters. To get to GSP level he needs some huge wins still: Connor, Ferguson, Diaz, Alvarez. Then his in the conversation.

Overall I give the nod to GSP, then Jones. Kabib has a ways to go, but seems as likely as anyone to get there.
 
But which one will it be?!

You know damn well you're gonna watch.

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Oh, im gonna watch. Personally i think Khabib takes it but id be just as happy if Conor starches him.
Im just sick of all these KHABIB is GOAT! CONOR IS GOAT! threads.
Make it stop!
 
I find it funny how you guys are now making efforts on finding Khabib holes in his grappling and yet fail to recognize that is very probable that he's the most complete grappler to ever compete in MMA. And this is the reason of his great success in despite his pretty average level of striking.

Yes GSP and Mendes have better wrestling doubles and singles but Khabib have them plus a much better diversity of other Sambo and Judo takedowns and throws.

Yes Maia and Ferguson have way better subs but Khabib has that plus overall a much much better standup grappling.

Yes Karo and Akiyama had better Judo throws but Khabib has that plus a much better ground top control.

Yes Cormier and Colby have better clinch control but Khabib has that plus much better subs.

The list can keep going but you get the point.

Says a guy with a Khabib av = Cool story, comrade.

I think a legit argument of why Khabib is not the most complete grappler is that he hasn't proven to be effective on his back, and no submissions (afaik) from the guard.
 
Says a guy with a Khabib av = Cool story, comrade.

I think a legit argument of why Khabib is not the most complete grappler is that he hasn't proven to be effective on his back, and no submissions (afaik) from the guard.
This is dumb. He hasn't been effective off his back (not sure what effective means in your opinion ) because he's only been on his back for more than five seconds once in his ufc career. That time he nearly choked Abel Trujillo out with a triangle and Abel got saved by the bell.

Look up Khabib's pre-ufc fights where he actually spent time on his back. He was known for his devastating guard and triangles off his back. He has 6 submissions from the guard in his career, and he went on a three fight streak where he choked dudes out with triangles.
 
This is dumb. He hasn't been effective off his back (not sure what effective means in your opinion ) because he's only been on his back for more than five seconds once in his ufc career. That time he nearly choked Abel Trujillo out with a triangle and Abel got saved by the bell.

Look up Khabib's pre-ufc fights where he actually spent time on his back. He was known for his devastating guard and triangles off his back. He has 6 submissions from the guard in his career, and he went on a three fight streak where he choked dudes out with triangles.

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If you're below MW you immediately disqualify yourself in any "complete" discussion.

NEWS FLASH: SIZE AND STRENGTH are vital in grappling. If you're a LW you're way too small to be effective against decent HW grapplers regardless of how P4P skilled you are, which means no, you're not complete.

This. Oly Ezekiel chokes tiramisu at will.
 
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