Khabib Conor Horcher Mendes(performance analysis)

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  1. Ideanudge Brown Belt

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    Conor needs perfect distance in order to land his left hand and really hurt someone. Khabib mostly circles out moves out of the way too fast to be threatened. Most of Conor's knockdowns, not clean one shot KOs, came from his opponents backing up too slowly and lining up in the perfect range where Conor gets full extension on his left. Conor won't hurt Khabib, someone who manages distance so well and sees the patterns where fighters tend not to strike. Check his fight against Horcher, who was a southpaw trying to aim his left. Khabib was simply out from the distance, out from range and patiently taking his time until he saw the opportunity to go for something. He has good awareness of the distances where a shot can hurt you and where it can't. Up close he is too upright and his head is level if not higher than Conor's, so there is no windup, the punches won't generate enough power because, not only they don't come at a good angle to generate power, but they won't have enough space. If Khabib decides to trudge forward from the initial one or two punches, Conor will have difficulty getting his hand in the right place to do anything significant. Maywheather started doing this, keeping very close to him and following him up close to deliver his short strikes. Thorough his career, the times Conor got hit was from such moments, and Conor got hit a lot(many such moments).

    Answer to BJJScout video of Conor's defense:
    Such defense works against short small guys, not athletically great guys, since it is the force of an arm trying to push downwards, and a bigger stronger guy can easily ignore the threat since the force generated by such a push is too small to be relevant. Rather, it will push Conor himself back and make him lean back, exposing his legs for the taking. Conor's another problem is if someone tries to clinch and getting underhooks rather than thrusting downwards, what would be quite an easy inside trip on his back leg. Conor has massive long arms for his body, he needs at all costs to keep distance because up close those hands are very ineffective, even the elbows are slow and clumsy. Wide flat back and small core sticks him on the ground like glue if he end there and has no leg support. Big quads and small hamstrings means he is rather well made for quickly pushing away from danger and long arms compliment his counters, but the weak hamstrings mean he lacks strength in thrusting forward, on the ground he needs considerable space before he gets his feet under him to push his hips away, rather than thrusting your hips up with hamstrings to shake off a mounted opponent or make the initial space from the bottom from where he could turn, get his feet on the ground, and push with his quads away. What is the best takedown on Conor? Considering the above, it's single legs, as he can't engage his hamstrings to great effect to drive his leg back when quads are isolated. Either drag him down opposite to the weight bearing leg, inside trip his one(last) leg, or pick him up and drop him opposite to the weighted leg(what Mendes did).
     
  2. Ideanudge Brown Belt

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    Just to get it out of the way:
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  3. Clenny96 White Belt

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    Conor is not Horcher.
     
  4. JoeyDiaz420 Banned Banned

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    lol
     
  5. Silverstar17 Red Belt

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    Well thought out argument.
     
  6. jojoRed Aint no stress on me, Lord.

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    What are you implying?
     
  7. Jizzer Purple Belt

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    you're right, Khabib is a master striker, Conor is a sloppy brawler.
     
  8. Silverstar17 Red Belt

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    That the fact that Conor is not Horcher does not nullify any argument that can come from looking at that fight. Pretty simple.
     
  9. IndyCovaHart Steel Belt

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    I’m not reading a wall of text that has to do with Darrell Horcher.
     
  10. Silverstar17 Red Belt

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    Why don't you try yourself at counterarguing instead of coming up with useless remarks and stuff that nobody ever said?
     
  11. knowsitall Black Belt

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  12. jojoRed Aint no stress on me, Lord.

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    Nor can it be used to affirm. Pretty simple.

    What an inane statement.
     
  13. Silverstar17 Red Belt

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    You should stop reading stuff into answers that have never been said or even implied.

    Looking at past performances is the key of fight analysis. If a breakdown does not please your preferences for an upcoming match up it does not make it invalid. You clearly have no arguments to counter TS claims or mine. So you decide to play this game right here.

    TS analyzed some observations and laid out a interesting breakdown. And so far we have only seen straw man arguments and too long did not read-jokes.

    You clearly have a problem with people who have a differing opinion as to what this fight might look like. Try to focus more on what is actually being said and not what you read into it with your clear as day attitude that everyone is either pro-Khabib or pro-Conor and that every laid out argument that speaks against Conor's chances is an attack.
     
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    Are you TS? Cause you're using another account now
     
  15. Silverstar17 Red Belt

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    No lol. No clue why he does no communicate in his own thread.
     
  16. Moral Victory Black Belt

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    Good mention , I got forgot horcher he did well before he gassed
     
  17. Po Purple Belt

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    I hope Conor worked on his short strikes for this fight. Like Cormier vs Miocic type stuff.

    Short hooks to the temple.
     
  18. dertdent Purple Belt

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    Horcher is a slow plodder, with no pressuring footwork, who threw naked lead left hands at Khabib. Khabib used the same footwork against Micheal Johnson, a lefty who had success early against Khabib. Neither guy has the distance management skills, the backfoot counter, or left hand setups that Mcgregor has.
     
  19. GordaoPreguico Red Belt

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    Probably because he said his piece and knows that this place is full of morons so no use in engaging them.
     
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