Key to standing guard passes?

[o'dubhlaoich]

At my school (Cesar Gracie BJJ) it seems that the standing guard passes are favored over the kneeling guard passes. The majority of the time I attempt the standing guard passes I get swept. I have been doing some research as far as looking at photos and videos of people doing standing guard passes and thinking about how I do them versus what others do. I notice that the majority of people keep there knees slightly bent when standing and atempting the standing passes. In karate they would call this a horse stance I think. I notice when I do them that I stand strait up and my legs are not bent. Is that one of the keys to the standing guard pass? Also someone pointed out that my posture is horribe when I do them. I have been working on that as well. Thanks in advance for the help

 

[xMikeyX]

Don't lock your knees- what part of standing guard passes and what guard are you speaking of?

 

[anaconda]

Posture is definitely #1.

Like you said, straight legs are no good. You don't have to go all the way down to a horse stance, but keeping a little bend in your knees improves your balance.

Also, you generally shouldn't stand square with the guy. One leg forward and one back, staggered, is much better. You need to control the guys feet to get to his knees, and control his knees to get to control his hips.

What I mean is, if his foot is controlling you you will have to deal with that before going to his knee, which ultimately leads to controlling his hips.

The final point, which I believe has been the biggest key in my personal success with standing guard passes, is to get in close and try to get your hips over the other guy's hips. Obviously it depends which pass you are doing exactly, but if you are far away from the guy's hips you will have a lot of trouble passing. You need to close the distance. If you can find some videos of Otavio Sousa passing guard, he does this VERY well.

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

Don't lock your knees- what part of standing guard passes and what guard are you speaking of?

I am talking about the closed guard and I always get swept when I am standing up

 

[anaconda]

here is an ok example:



Look especially at around 1:58 after getting the sweep. Notice how the leg is forward, driving into the guys hip. Pressure is always exerted on the other guy's hips. I know this is more of a combat base/dlr defense, but i believe the concept is applicable to what you are asking.

 

[gannas]

try a kneeling belt pass, I go for that first then do a standing or the trap one arm kneeling pass too.

 

[xMikeyX]

Are you fixing your elbow to your hip at least on one side?

Are you using conepts like heavy side and light side?

Is this the basic standing closed guard pass?

Do you have trouble opening the guard? Do you have trouble keeping posture and grips while staggering your steps?

 

[anaconda]

I am talking about the closed guard and I always get swept when I am standing up

oh then you have a different problem.

Before you stand up control one of your opponent's sleeves. Lift the knee on that side first, and then stand up. KEEP YOUR ELBOW INSIDE. Stagger the other foot back a little and control the other knee with your and and push down to open his guard.

Once the guard is open, let go of his sleeve and start controlling his knees. Staggering that other leg and controlling his arm until you open his guard will help you not get swept.

 

[mesa]

I am talking about the closed guard and I always get swept when I am standing up

Opening the guard and passing the guard are 2 different concepts. Anaconda listed my favorite way to open the guard. If you're getting swept from closed, just concentrate on learning how to open the guard first...

After you learn to do this, then concentrate on learning different passing options. There are countless number of ways to pass from the knees or standing when you open someone's gaurd. I suggest starting with the torreado pass....it's the most basic of passes from standing.

 

[czaak]

YouTube - Demian Maia BJJ Lesson - Stacking Guard Pass (2/2) this video explains it well.

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

Ok I am sorry for not being more clear. I have trouble with opening the guard before I get swept. I cant even get to the guard pass part because I always get swepted while trying the standing guard pass.

 

[FLoWitheGo**]

YouTube - Demian Maia BJJ Lesson - Stacking Guard Pass (2/2) this video explains it well.

Awesome find TY

 

[anaconda]

Ok I am sorry for not being more clear. I have trouble with opening the guard before I get swept. I cant even get to the guard pass part because I always get swepted while trying the standing guard pass.

Go back to my long post. Thats one of the best ways to open the guard when standing.

There are likely a couple of mistakes you might be making:

1) Not controlling an arm when you stand up
2) Not standing with the same side leg of the controlled arm when you stand up
3) Not keeping your elbow of the arm controlling his sleeve inside (which allows him to use it to break your posture)
4) Not staggering your legs
5) Not letting go of the arm after you get the guard open

Good luck.

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

Thanks for the advice people

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

me and cash bill 52 where working on my standing guard passes today. He gave me a bunch of advice. I wasnt pushing my hips forward and controlling a arm the write way. I am going to work on this things now. Thanks again

 

[anaconda]

me and cash bill 52 where working on my standing guard passes today. He gave me a bunch of advice. I wasnt pushing my hips forward and controlling a arm the write way. I am going to work on this things now. Thanks again

oh i forgot you train in cesar's lol. you can get much better advice there than here!

good luck

 

[o'dubhlaoich]

oh i forgot you train in cesar's lol. you can get much better advice there than here!

good luck

NO thanks for the advice Anaconda. I feel bad sometimes asking people for advice because I know they want to roll and not spend the whole time teaching a white belt shit. But Cash Bill is cool at showing me stuff without me even asking. Even though he is not a black belt I consider him one of my instructors. He has shown me a lot of stuff. Like today besides the guard pass he was showing me his favorite triangle escape.

 

[Wrestleben]

me and cash bill 52 where working on my standing guard passes today. He gave me a bunch of advice. I wasnt pushing my hips forward and controlling a arm the write way. I am going to work on this things now. Thanks again

That's what I was going to say. Pushing your hips forward hard (like you're humping the air in front of you) is the key to breaking open the guard. If you stand up explosively and bring an arm with you...a hard hip thrust on an angle will open most anyones guard.

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

At my school (Cesar Gracie BJJ) it seems that the standing guard passes are favored over the kneeling guard passes. The majority of the time I attempt the standing guard passes I get swept. I have been doing some research as far as looking at photos and videos of people doing standing guard passes and thinking about how I do them versus what others do. I notice that the majority of people keep there knees slightly bent when standing and atempting the standing passes. In karate they would call this a horse stance I think. I notice when I do them that I stand strait up and my legs are not bent. Is that one of the keys to the standing guard pass? Also someone pointed out that my posture is horribe when I do them. I have been working on that as well. Thanks in advance for the help

Correct. For standing guard passes, I keep my knees very slightly bent, and my knees turned slightly inward. It's a stronger stance, and I have my opponent's hips resting on my knees. Good posture is also essential, as well as good arm position. Then I'll step back with one leg and put pressure on that knee, and the guard pops open. It's important to continue the pass as soon as you open the guard, rather than wait. Once I pop the legs open, I like to follow his leg to the ground and pin it with my same-side knee.

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

Go back to my long post. Thats one of the best ways to open the guard when standing.

There are likely a couple of mistakes you might be making:

1) Not controlling an arm when you stand up
2) Not standing with the same side leg of the controlled arm when you stand up
3) Not keeping your elbow of the arm controlling his sleeve inside (which allows him to use it to break your posture)
4) Not staggering your legs
5) Not letting go of the arm after you get the guard open

Good luck.

These are pretty much the details of arm positioning that I was talking about. I would also add that for the free arm (that you're not using to control his arm), keep that in his hips with the elbow inside.