Kaufman or Eye?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by kaltkalt, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. kaltkalt

    kaltkalt Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    I'm torn on Kaufman vs Eye. After the weigh-in, where Eye looked an inch or two taller than Kaufman and not the tinyl, underweight natural flyweight like I'd heard, coupled with the fact that Kaufman has looked pretty mediocre in her last few fights, now I'm really unsure about my initial pick of her. Seems around 90% of people here are going with Kaufman, which frankly I find surprising. Why is she such a big favorite? No real ground game, won close, debatable decisions in her last 2 wins (I thought she lost her last fight).

    Why are most people going with Kaufman?

    Kaufman really needs a suntan, btw. She's probably the most pale non-albino person I've ever seen. Must be the perpetual darkness of Canada...
     
  2. ewauksonian

    ewauksonian Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    0
    It's because Kaufman is better than Miesha Tate AND Liz Carmouche. The only two people that MAY be ahead of her would be Cat Zingano and/or Sara McMann. Also, she has decent stand up and TDD, along with good top control (though her sub defense is a bit suspect). She's pretty well rounded, but she's not the best. I expect her to beat Tate and Carmouche again if they ever fought. Tate's striking is really bad, and Kaufman's TDD has improved enough that she will beat Tate up even more (and I don't dislike Tate, and I like Carmouche).

    On the flip side, if you look at Eye's record, it's mostly decision-heavy, while Kaufman is more finish heavy. Kaufman also has fought better competition at 135 than Eye has fought at 125. In fact, Eye's competition is nowhere near as deep as Kaufman's. Eye also has a single suspect loss - against someone that's clearly not so good.

    That being said, I expect this fight to be closer than most expect. Eye is not a bad fighter. But Kaufman is probably a Top Five Bantamweight, and if Eye can beat her, Eye has a serious chance of beating every Bantamweight not named Ronda Rousey. However, as it stands, Kaufman is the rightful favorite, though I think the fight is a lot closer than anyone thinks.

    Actually, I believe McMann was supposed to fight Kaufman, which would have been a huge step up in competition for McMann. Had McMann beaten Kaufman, McMann would have been right after Cat Zingano.
     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  3. iShoootz**

    iShoootz** Blue Belt

    Joined:
    May 8, 2013
    Messages:
    685
    Likes Received:
    1
    Eye is so attractive, but it's hard to bet against Kaufman on this one
     
  4. TeamTanner

    TeamTanner Red Belt

    Joined:
    May 6, 2008
    Messages:
    8,711
    Likes Received:
    317
    Kaufman doesn't impress me all the time but I can't argue with her record. She's only lost twice while facing the upper level of her division pretty consistently.


    She's also been physically stronger than most of her opponents at 135 while Eye is coming up from 125.


    I don't have much feeling about how this fight will go but it would be hard to not see Kaufman as the favorite.
     
  5. Sole

    Sole Sole Calibur

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2013
    Messages:
    7,256
    Likes Received:
    112,359
    Location:
    The Stage of History
    My penis says Eye, but my brain says Kaufman.
     
  6. ewauksonian

    ewauksonian Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    0
    I forgot to add, Kaufman is strong as fuck, too. About the only time I've seen someone overpower her is Rousey.
    Agreed. But I wouldn't count Eye just yet.
     
  7. CreativeTomato

    CreativeTomato Tomato Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    2,804
    Likes Received:
    819
    Location:
    Liking Random Ladies' Instagram Pics
    Zing!

    :brofist:
     
  8. kaltkalt

    kaltkalt Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    The problem is Kaufman seems to have declined over the past 3 years or so.

    The Kaufman of slam-KOing her opponents doesn't exist anymore. That seems obvious to me. If Kaufman does beat Eye, I'm certain it will be by decision.
     
  9. Sole

    Sole Sole Calibur

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2013
    Messages:
    7,256
    Likes Received:
    112,359
    Location:
    The Stage of History
    [​IMG]
     
  10. ewauksonian

    ewauksonian Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    0
    Decline? Explain. Not that I disagree, but Kaufman can still Tate and Carmouche if you ask me. If Kaufman has declined, where does that leave those two?
     
  11. kaltkalt

    kaltkalt Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    From what I've seen watching her fights. I can't quantify it except to say she's had no finishes and only close decisions.

    I don't think she could beat Carmouche. Carmouche would put her on her back and get a TKO. Dunno about Tate.

    Frankly I see Kaufman being put on her back by Eye, I just don't know how long Eye will keep her there or whether she's good enough to get a sub.
     
  12. ewauksonian

    ewauksonian Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    0
    LIke I said, I'm not count her out, but I'm not counting her in.

    You do know that Kaufman beat Carmouche by a dominant decision, right? Carmouche hasn't improved enough to beat Kaufman yet.
     
  13. kaltkalt

    kaltkalt Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Yes, that was mid-2011 and around the time Kaufman seems to have faded. It's been a while since I've seen that fight but I do remember thinking that Carmouche seemed to be off. If they fought again now, I'm confident Liz would win a one-sided fight, finishing Kaufman via TKO. Liz has improved more than any female fighter I can think of, she was fantastic against Andrade in her last fight.

    Kaufman seems to be a female version of JDS solely in terms of how she fights (not a comparison of skill). She is primarily a boxer, nothing more. She's a good technical striker but I've never been impressed with her, and over the past 2-3 years she seems to have gotten slow and ineffective. Just my opinion from what I've seen when watching her fights.
     
  14. kaltkalt

    kaltkalt Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Liz lasted longer than anyone with Rousey, Kaufman lasted like 45 seconds. One of Ronda's quickest victories. That's gotta say something.
     
  15. Sinclair75

    Sinclair75 Green Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2013
    Messages:
    1,297
    Likes Received:
    3
    Jessica is pleasing for the Eye(s) while Kaufman is obviously better , fightnig skills wise.

    I'm just bored with Sarah's matches, they look all the same and are pretty uneventful...Till somebody better than her like Rousey and Coenen subbed her.

    I don't think Jessica can do that to her and both chicks tend to go to the decisions a LOT.

    It will be Kaufman by UD as usual here.
     
  16. dissolved

    dissolved Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    30,571
    Likes Received:
    7,391
    I used to be a bigger believer in Kaufman . . . But she's a little small for the division and too one-dimensional I think.
     
  17. ewauksonian

    ewauksonian Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    0
    Like I said, you haven't shown how Kaufman has faded. That doesn't mean Eye can't beat Kaufman (she certainly has a chance, of course).

    As for her "slowing down', it's more like she hasn't improved. A lot of her early competition were way worse than she is. Once she hit the upper echelon of WMMA, she was winning decisions against them, most of the time, dominant decisions.

    As for her only split decision loss and her only majority decision win, those fights were because Kaufman chose not to fight safe. Every time Kaufman fights smart, she wins a good (but boring) decision.

    Kaufman was fighting scared, and quite frankly, Rousey has Kaufman's number. Rousey is stronger than she is (most fighters that fight against Kaufman usually have a strength disadvantage), and Rousey has great a great armbar. Kaufman's armbar defense isn't exactly stellar.

    Actually, she's not one-dimensional, but rather she's great at nothing, but jack of all trades (except on her back). I also agree she could fight at a smaller division. Then again, so can Miesha Tate, Liz Carmouche, and Cat Zingano.
     
  18. Fight To Win

    Fight To Win Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2011
    Messages:
    10,913
    Likes Received:
    7,842
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Honestly I have Eye pulling off the upset, I just hope Kaufman doesn't get cut. She's an excellent fighter.
     
  19. kaltkalt

    kaltkalt Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2012
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    I concede my reasons for thinking Kaufman has faded are very subjective, it's just my opinion based on her past few fights.

    But can someone give me their reasons for why "Kaufman is obviously better"? She may be better and she may win but it's not obvious to me. Doubtful actually.
     
  20. Michael13

    Michael13 Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2012
    Messages:
    7,018
    Likes Received:
    276
    Kaufman decision.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.