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Originally posted by BlackBeltNow
Another thing super you. You are a typical traditionalist. Its apparent: I already proved that zeke is making up stuff, closed minded, and you still wnat his point of view???

btw, body cannot create polarization. one important thing about charges in nature: most things in nature are neutral in charge.


Even if it created polarization...i don't see ur logic: That could explain why the monks are waving around with their arms and then can put spears to their throats.
What does polarization have to do w/ resisting spears to throats? again...typical traditinalist logic. "if 1+1= 2, then chi exists"
i was only late in the evening speculating in what could cause chi if it exists. my reasoning was weak, but i wanted to see if there could other explanations more than that Zeke was making up things. biology isn't my strong side though.

if i'm a traditionalist? well, i would say that kyokushin is semi-traditionalistic.
 
lol. this is a funny thread. Don't blame Zeke, blame george dillman, although he knows a few pressure points he very seldom applies them for real situations, and most of his acts are more of a fake show.

I actually do believe in the concept of pressure points, however i don't believe it is anything mystical or unexplainable. George dillman from my experiance comes up with a lot of BS explainations, one of which i remember him saying that a pressure point is a point of of spacial summation in a nerve system, which is completely fallacious.

He does know where pressure points are, and he does know how to KO a free standing person who is not fighting back, just go to one of his seminars, he will ko people left right and centre, but i very much doubt, he could do it against a real fighter.

Anyway, i am going to post a very good document which was written by a doctor who specialises in neuroscience. He explains how pressure point work from his research. I think the only people who will understand it are people like BlackBeltNow who have a biological/medical background, it is very long and complicated.
 
Ok this is a big file, and will be beyond of of you people, as you have not studied medicne or biology, but this provides a easy explaination of pressure points, i specifically do this for blackbeltnow, and other intelligent non belivers who wish for an explaination.
 
Processing of Afferent
Nociceptive Stimuli
With Amplification
of Subsequent Stimuli
Chris A. Johnston,

As a martial artist I have taken up the study of anatomy in recent years, mainly in an attempt to describe various phenomena scientifically that clearly seem to work, but have never been adequately explained inWestern terms. Specifically the study of pressure point striking (Kyusho) has prompted a great deal of questions. The older paradigms, which are not scientific by the conventional definition, leave much to be desired in terms of a logical relation to specific body structure and process.
It certainly works to strike a particular vulnerable point initially with great force, and logically less force produces a lesser trauma. What is less obvious is how striking another point initially allows the same point struck in the first example to be hit much more softly while the same reaction is caused. This type of sequence can cause a knock out using a light touch. Clearly the first strike somehow amplifies the effect of the second strike. The question is what physiological mechanisms are involved in this phenomenon?
The following is an attempt
to relate these phenomena to
existing knowledge of the
corticothalamocortical network.
1). Path of initial nociceptive stimulus. It is necessary to elucidate the sequence of events upon stimulation of cutaneous and/or subcutaneous pain receptors. Initial stimulation initiates a signal that projects through relay neurons to the spinal cord. The spinal cord is divided into vertical layers called spinal laminae, based on discrete function and connectivity of the neuronal projections within each lamina. In the spinal lamina (layer) known as the Substantia Gelitinosa, which is also called spinal lamina II, reflex actions involving gating (switching on or off) of subsequent polymodal C fiber slow pain impulses may or may not be initiated. Regardless the initial fast signal ascends through the spinal column (in the neo-spino- thalamic tract) to the medulla where the signals are split.
One branch targets the reticular activating system (RAS), which is an ascending extension of the spinal cord involved in preparing various neurons for input, specifically receptors, thalamic sensory relay neurons and the cortex. TheRASserves to regulate visceral (internal) organs through various involuntary processes (i.e. heart rate, breathing, secretions), as well as keeping a person conscious by suppressing bursting processes associated with sleep.
The other branch of the neo-spino-thalamic tract merges with the medial lemniscus (the central ribbon shaped conglomeration of ascending sensory nerve projections directed from the medulla to the thalamus) and continues onward to the ventral lateral posterior thalamus. Stimuli are targeted to different thalamic nuclei based on the nature and origin of the stimulus.
The branch that targets the RAS is
modulated (controlled; modified) by
input from the cerebrum that represents
ongoing contextual events, then
a projection is sent to the
centromedian thalamic nucleus. The
centromedian nucleus is phylogenetically
the oldest part of the thalamus,
and it sends a diffuse projection to the
cortex with a widespread pattern of
innervation. This portion of the ascending
afferent projection is involved
in
 
I really tried to read it but most of it goes way over my head.


The idea im getting from this, is that, there are ways that the brains' signals that can be interrupted which causes a KO. By striking certain points, i.e pressure points, the impact will affect the RAS(reticular activating system) which in turn knocks someone out because RAS is what maintains our conscious state.

Am I understanding this correctly or is my interpretation way off?
 
looks like I was on the right track then with my earlier post...

pressure points do exist. There are meridians of nerves that run throughout the entire body. If certain spots are hit with sufficient force a shock to the system causes a knockout.
 
i can't read that. and if i did, i won't pretend i know.

plus, i didn't say anythign about pressure points. i already mentioned the thing about stopping the heart from a regular choke. i just dont' beleive what zeke says. (if he was right, it woudl just be a lukcy coincidence ie the existence of the word bioelectricity)
 
Sorry I've been gone for a while.

BBnow, read any of Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming's books. He uses the word bioelctromagnetic in nearly all of his books in the explanation of chi. The Quantum Physics is being used in kyusho research in D.K.I.. Evan Pantazi is one of the main people currently applying it. A book that was suggested to me was "The Dancing Wu Li Masters: An Overview of New Physics". I'm not a Physicist myself but I to study it in my spare time. In no way am I close minded, and I'm not making any of this up. Anything I've said I have either gotten from books, doctors, instructors, Masters, or Grandmasters. What I meant by read my profile and do the math was that you'd asked me how old I am. I'm 19.

Dr. Funk, thank you for your post. I hope they read it and retain at least some of it. I have a great appreciation for people like yiou who don't blindingly disregard everything they do not understand, and actually look it up. That's very cool.

The solar plexus does contain nerves and meridians. The entire body contains nerves and meridians. The front of the body has the Conception Vessel, stomach meridian, kidney meridian, liver meridian, Gallbladder meridian, thrusting vessel, and girdling vessel.

Dillman said that he'd proven that chi exists to the American Journal of Sports Medicine. I haven't seen or read the article and personally don't know the first thing about the Journal of Sports Medicine but I'll try to find it. Everyone else feel free to look as well. There are several professors and students from a University of Canada that are currently doing testing of Ed Lake. The research is not completely done but once it is it'll be published. One of the things that he told us was that they measured 1,200 volts of electricity, (I don't know if it was normal voltage, bioelecticity, elecromagnetics, or, and now BBNow's gonna have a field day, Bioelectromagnetic energy.) running between his hands while he was doing a chi ball exercise.
There was a medical study that was done with Dillman a few years ago regarding the reaction of the people who he Ko'd while he was doing it. You guys could look for that one also. I'll ask some people and try to get a little more info. on it.

What takes five years of practice? Kyusho-jitsu! I want to spend two years living in Boston training hardcore under Evan Pantazi and also find a good BJJ school up their to kick my ass at ground fighting. That's still my weakest area. I also want dabble in a few other full contact striking styles just to see how well I do against them. I've fought plenty of people full contact from my own schools but since I want to see how well I do against some competant fighters from other styles. There's not much here in Yuma or Flagstaff to fight. I also want to spend two years in Pen. with Dillman training hardcore. Then I want to start fighting MMA.
 
when he says bioelectricity doesn't zeke just mean electricity within the body? like in the nerves ect. ect.
 
Originally posted by Zeke1222
Yes, that about sums it up.

um, i clarified this earlier.

i never said bioelectricity doesn't exist. I said you made up a random word which coincidentally is real. How do i know its coincidence? because my guess of the definition was correct, and ur def which you were VERY certain of, (that u accused me of not knowing physics) was wrong. Read what I wrote earlier.

and bioEM. lke i said, its just photon. nothing "biological" about this so the bio is misleading. I was annoyed because u used the two as if they wre the same thing. electric, magnetic, and electromagetic are 3 different things. this shows u've been brainwashed to think you know ur stuff.

i see you didn't even admit i was right. dictionaries don't lie, and neither than the science education you lack
 
Blackbeltnow, is bioelectricty just a photon? or is bioEM a photon?

Either way what have photons got to do with electricity within the human body? I have some knowledge of quantum physics, so feel free to explain in some detail, i just don't get how photons are realated to PD's in the nerves?
 
BBnow, I thank you for such a childish ranting on your last post. I needed a good laugh this morning. Keep up the good work.
 
Originally posted by Dr Funck
Blackbeltnow, is bioelectricty just a photon? or is bioEM a photon?

Either way what have photons got to do with electricity within the human body? I have some knowledge of quantum physics, so feel free to explain in some detail, i just don't get how photons are realated to PD's in the nerves?

bioelectricity is just electricity in an organism. ie action potentials etc. Nothing special about bioE than Electricity, especially if youre like me (atheist or biological point of view), who just views an organism as a machine. "bioelectricty molecules" responsible are ions such as Ca2+, Cl-, K+, Na+, and sometimes even charged peptides/proteins.

bioEM is not a real word. anyway, i said earlier i'll assume it is just EM but soemthing to do w/ life. can organisms create EM? yea...a comon example is IR (infra red)radiation which is an EM wave. organisms emit EM all the time, [a fraction, or all? not sure] as body heat. some insects can emit EM that we could see (visible light), like fireflies by breaking a chemical compound. forgot whic, but i read about it in my organic chem book. IR is visible with IR cameras or "thermal vision". That's why its useful to use them in the dark. Theres a glo stick that is used as a signaling flare, that the army uses, that emits IR radiation! so poor countries like iraq that do not have IR cameras cannot see this bright glow, but US helicopters can! and rescue these ppl.

Which proves a good point. seeing IR is nothing special to us educated ppl. but its magic to unedcuated ppl. i'm not just referring to iraq or technologically undeveloped countries btw...

either word, has nothing to do w/ chi or anything mysterious. the bio is just a generic prefix. There is no such word as Unfix, but we can figure it out cuz we know what un- and fix is. And as we can see theres nothing about this word we can't figure out. just liek BioE and "BioEM"

i dont' knwo why zeke is laughing. check ur chi posts, ppl are making fun of you. plus, like i said, you use EM and electricity lik ethey're interchangeable. and you won't admit that.

you are close minded.
 
You do that kid, ha ha. I didn't sign on this forum to have a childish arguement with some punk who has never really studied Qigong. When Dr. Yang Jwing Ming comes out and says that he made that word up I'll believe you. However, until such a time comes to pass, I'll stand by his vocabulary long before I'll stand by yours. So what if some kids on the internet here laugh at me. It's no big deal to me. Anyone who wants to stay in the dark can stay there. Anyone who wants to dig deeper into fighting theory and applications, be them physical, sound, energy, or whatever, if I can help them then I will.
 
Originally posted by Zeke1222
You do that kid, ha ha. I didn't sign on this forum to have a childish arguement with some punk who has never really studied Qigong. When Dr. Yang Jwing Ming comes out and says that he made that word up I'll believe you. However, until such a time comes to pass, I'll stand by his vocabulary long before I'll stand by yours. So what if some kids on the internet here laugh at me. It's no big deal to me. Anyone who wants to stay in the dark can stay there. Anyone who wants to dig deeper into fighting theory and applications, be them physical, sound, energy, or whatever, if I can help them then I will.

alright. btw..i checked ur pfile as u had told me. wat was the point? so i know that a music dude is teaching me physics? or even dared told me to take quantum physics? go believe in ur NTKO. if u ever get in a fight, youll gert KO'd before ever touching ur opponent. thats the only NTKO that you'll ever do. that is...in five [more] years since it takes you that long or how long dildo will continue to rip your ignorant ass off.
 
well, ok, at least we have established that photons have nothing to do with nerves or chi.
 
Wow, so much anger for such a little guy! Ha ha! Calm down, take a Soma or something. I don't know why you think you're such much more intelligent thant the rest of us because you go to some hippie college in California. I've got friends in Yale, Harvard, Standford, and Berkely in Boston. It's no big deal. Yes, I am a musician among many other things. Last year I was helping to explain physics to a friend in Yale. I'm no authority on it but I do study it in my spare time. Too many people are resistant to change in this world. Oh well, that's life. he he..

Check out this documentary.
"Scientific Validation of the Human EM Field" by Dr. V Hunt.
 
And I'm sure that your friends at Harvard, Standford and Yale will tell you that you and your Chi are full of shit. Study physics in your "spare time"? I'm surprized your have any spare time between episodes of star trek and knocking people out without touching them.
 
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