Elections Kamala Harris drops Official Policy Statements!

[terrapin]

I can get behind Trump hate. But Harris love is pathetic and dishonest. She has no policy, look how far in we are. She stands for only 1 thing--get elected and then figure it out later. She can't speak without sounding dumb, EVRY time she is asked a policy question. She is not fit to be President. Everyone knows it. But anyone but Trump. How do we fix inflation "Well, we have to realize prices have gone up". Have you been to the border "The border is not an issue. We have been. Well I haven't, but I haven't been to Europe either". In one speech she said "we have to work together" 9 times without every answering. This is not someone to love. She is an idiot.

This is the empty headed phony you guys are praising:

If you can get behind Trump hate then how much more pathetic is it that people love him?

After all, being an empty-headed phony is nothing like being a convicted felon, sexual predator, con man, profound liar, and sower of hatred, chaos and division in the country.

When speaking of despicable people, Trump trumps everyone else.

 

[PhitePhan]

Tbh I'm not sure Biden was going to drop out if Trump didn't get his head nearly blown off lol. That moment potentially would have carried Trump to victory during campaign season, so they decided making the switch would bring new life into the party and campaign which it clearly did. From a business decision perspective, it's the ultimate "well played" moment and likely won the election lol.

I disagree. Biden was clearly on the decline and at times having trouble putting together a coherent sentence. He looked like a very old man who I wouldn’t trust to drive, much less run the country. This was obvious to most people, and to think he would be able to see through the election plus four more years was illogical. Perhaps the plan was to get him elected and THEN he would step down leaving Kamala in place?

 

[MMAisGod]

I disagree. Biden was clearly on the decline and at times having trouble putting together a coherent sentence. He looked like a very old man who I wouldn’t trust to drive, much less run the country. This was obvious to most people, and to think he would be able to see through the election plus four more years was illogical. Perhaps the plan was to get him elected and THEN he would step down leaving Kamala in place?

I think he clearly was too, but likely had confidence in him getting the W until the assassination attempt. I would guess the step down was always planned but after he won at some point, then you get Kamala free the rest of term, plus GOAT Undefeatable Newsom in 2028, but all the events altered plans.

 

[cincymma79]

what wa she voting record back when she made laws? She can’t make laws now so how is she going to make to any while not being a legislator

 

[Spounman]

So she's going to radically change the way SHE and sleepy Joe have been ruining the country for the past 4 years?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think he clearly was too, but likely had confidence in him getting the W until the assassination attempt. I would guess the step down was always planned but after he won at some point, then you get Kamala free the rest of term, plus GOAT Undefeatable Newsom in 2028, but all the events altered plans.

I think Newsom is a relatively weak candidate since his appeal is much more to educated people, who already vote Democratic in strong numbers. Biden had more appeal to older, blue-collar types, and Harris and Obama have more appeal to young and diverse parts of the coalition that are kind of marginal Dem voters.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Tbh I'm not sure Biden was going to drop out if Trump didn't get his head nearly blown off lol. That moment potentially would have carried Trump to victory during campaign season, so they decided making the switch would bring new life into the party and campaign which it clearly did. From a business decision perspective, it's the ultimate "well played" moment and likely won the election lol.

I think people would care about someone trying to shoot Trump about the same as they do now regardless of who the Nominee is

 

[Islam Imamate]

Even if I we agreed on this, the actual policies that she put out are so middle of the road and basic that they could've been drawn up in a day or two. Doesn't look like 40+ days of work. Maybe there was a lot going on behind the scenes, but that doesn't help public perception. She was actively avoiding any and all media while her opponent was routinely going into unfriendly territory.

A lot of that work is probably stuff that typical campaigns have done before the campaign gets into 2nd gear but Kamala was thrown in with ~100 days to go till the election I think its to be expected that she might need some time to catch up to where a normal campaign would be.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Ngl, avoiding the media like the Spanish flu only to give some pat on the back recorded interview a month+ later and then drop the policy plan literally RIGHT before the debate sounds like something that was intentionally planned. Dare I say what a politician would purposely do.

I think they know they don't have to do anything other than not be Trump and win pretty easily, so there's no actual incentives to do live interviews or town halls or press conferences or anything and take a risk of it not going well.

She's been on the campaign trail talking about her policies so honestly much of the stuff listed there is not a surprise, if anything I'm surprised and disappointed that she didn't walk back the dumb policies like the price gouging stuff.

 

[curryjunkie]

I think Newsom is a relatively weak candidate since his appeal is much more to educated people, who already vote Democratic in strong numbers. Biden had more appeal to older, blue-collar types, and Harris and Obama have more appeal to young and diverse parts of the coalition that are kind of marginal Dem voters.

i think mark kelly is the natural successor to harris , i dont see waltz as a president , likeable as he is.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I can get behind Trump hate. But Harris love is pathetic and dishonest. She has no policy, look how far in we are.

Did you not read the OP? Or the thread title? You can't say she has no policy when she announced her policy platform.

You can criticize it and I have but she does have policy and if anything she's offering more real policy than Trump has so far.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think he clearly was too, but likely had confidence in him getting the W until the assassination attempt. I would guess the step down was always planned but after he won at some point, then you get Kamala free the rest of term, plus GOAT Undefeatable Newsom in 2028, but all the events altered plans.

His reluctance to drop out is supposedly in part because he was convinced not to run in 2016 and felt that was a mistake which allowed Trump to win. He didn't trust the instincts of party elites in light of that but after the debate the pressure was too much and he had to step down.

 

[Confucamus]

A lot of that work is probably stuff that typical campaigns have done before the campaign gets into 2nd gear but Kamala was thrown in with ~100 days to go till the election I think its to be expected that she might need some time to catch up to where a normal campaign would be.

I’m not seeing how it takes a month and a half for her to do that. Just look at this tweet below. She needs 40+ days to copy and paste some shit?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I’m not seeing how it takes a month and a half for her to do that. Just look at this tweet below. She needs 40+ days to copy and paste some shit?

Its about thinking and rethinking these things before committing to it publicly.

If anything she might've needed more time in light of some questionable policy proposals are but at the same time policy is not the focus of this campaign as much as it is a referendum on Trump and the Biden admin.

 

[filthybliss]

i think mark kelly is the natural successor to harris , i dont see waltz as a president , likeable as he is.

Kelly? He's a badass but iirc he is not the best public speaker thats why Harris selected Walz over him. I think Big Gretch is next up tbh

 

[PBAC]

The US threshold is 400k a year?

 

[Jack V Savage]

She's been on the campaign trail talking about her policies so honestly much of the stuff listed there is not a surprise, if anything I'm surprised and disappointed that she didn't walk back the dumb policies like the price gouging stuff.

I think there's a bit of bad faith in the whole angle. The whole reason we have political parties is that we broadly know what everyone is going to do. I think if you all you know about politics is "the Republican candidates are going to try to cut taxes for rich people and maybe pay for it with cuts to the safety net and tax hikes on the poor and middle class" and "the Democratic candidates are going to try to strengthen the safety net and pay for it by taxing the rich," you actually have a much deeper and better understanding of what's going on than most political obsessives.

 

[badascan]

How is Harris a conman? I ask this because we have concrete evidence the man she is running against is absolutely a conman.

Trump has settled for millions for running a scam university and conning people out of millions of dollars. He set up a charity and then used donated funds for his own personal purposes, and was fined millions for it. He even scammed his own supporters into thinking they were only donating once, when in reality the fine print locked them in to WEEKLY donations. And I could go on.

Yet, Trump's been made a martyr and Harris is somehow less trustworthy than him...

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think there's a bit of bad faith in the whole angle. The whole reason we have political parties is that we broadly know what everyone is going to do. I think if you all you know about politics is "the Republican candidates are going to try to cut taxes for rich people and maybe pay for it with cuts to the safety net and tax hikes on the poor and middle class" and "the Democratic candidates are going to try to strengthen the safety net and pay for it by taxing the rich," you actually have a much deeper and better understanding of what's going on than most political obsessives.

And beyond that in this specific race there's a special concern with Trump because he actively tries to bend our institutions to avoid accountability and consolidate power which the GOP supports him in. Meanwhile Harris and the Dems govern more so as a typical party with various factions and institutions holding one another accountable. When Harris announced her economic policies most Dems behind closed doors repudiated her worst ideas. But repudiating Trump in the current GOP is likely to get you excised from the party. So he's even worse than your bog-standard GOP presidential nominee.

 

[MMAisGod]

I think Newsom is a relatively weak candidate since his appeal is much more to educated people, who already vote Democratic in strong numbers. Biden had more appeal to older, blue-collar types, and Harris and Obama have more appeal to young and diverse parts of the coalition that are kind of marginal Dem voters.

Really? I think Newsom is about as marketable as you could ever ask for in a candidate and doesn't have any glaring issues that people in the middle would denounce him for. The easiest of winners is my first hunch lol. Because when you run Newsom against some non-Trump person like Haley, DeSantis, or whoever I don't see how that's not a super duper stomp.

I think people would care about someone trying to shoot Trump about the same as they do now regardless of who the Nominee is

Disagree with this though. Trump clearly and obviously had a lot of momentum after the shooting and polls were reflecting it. It probably was his one and only actual chance to win until Harris arrived and took all the momentum and polling back and sent him back to where he belongs. I'd go as far to say this doesn't feel arguable.

His reluctance to drop out is supposedly in part because he was convinced not to run in 2016 and felt that was a mistake which allowed Trump to win. He didn't trust the instincts of party elites in light of that but after the debate the pressure was too much and he had to step down.

I didn't know this actually, but it does make sense. I still don't think Trump would have beaten him because chatter would have resolved and Trump would have found ways to bury himself like always, but both of them are pretty old at this point regardless so feel even if he could run things the optics and campaign push looks a lot better with Harris.