Just watched the Werdum/Miocic fight, and....

[KORMAN]

could you imagine telling a fan that's new to the sport that Werdum was the HW champ of the top MMA organization in the entire world?

The guy looked like a complete beginner to striking and combat sports when he was literally chasing Stipe with that sloppy and nonsensical "combinations" of punches.

Werdum is like the worst/best champion in UFC history in terms of you can make him look very sloppy and noobish for a lot of the fight, but he's also extremely dangerous, and can win the fight St any moment.

MMA hasng evolved enough yet for the HWs. You just have a guy that's improved a lot in his striking, and can use his striking in a very reckless way becasue of the fact that he doesn't fear the TD, at all.

Just a random thought brought to you by, Korman.

P.S. pre injury Cain would NEVER lose to a guy like Werdum. Pre injury Cain didn't run out of gas literally like 20-30 seconds into the fight. Pre injury Cain would've been on Werdum, hurt him, and finished him off in the 1st. Also, pre injury Cain was a lot sharper, measured, accurate, and was a much better chain fighter. It's so sad that we'll never see that guy again.

 

[sadclown]

So after all that, this thread really is about sea-level, no-injury Cain in a hypothetical what-if....

 

[Pls Respond]

I always thought werdum striking looked bad even when he was winning, but it was effective


But against stipe, it was horrible...werdum was also out of shape.

So much cock, cock guy...bought into his hype

 

[Bill Laimbeer]

I hear Korman knows about as about MMA as Gus Johnson.

 

[KORMAN]

I always thought werdum striking looked bad even when he was winning, but it was effective


But against stipe, it was horrible...werdum was also out of shape.

So much cock, cock guy...bought into his hype

Honestly speaking, me too. It never impressed me in the sense that I looked at him like a top striker, it's just that it's improved enough to where his striking was a plus now, due to the fact that he completely disregards his opponents TD attempts, therefore anything he throws that isn't pre Kings MMA Werdum is a major improvement, and actuslly effective and deadly. And the smaller gloves help in that a ton.

 

[KORMAN]

So after all that, this thread really is about sea-level, no-injury Cain in a hypothetical what-if....

Not really. The last part about Cain just randomly came to me as I was typing. My intentions of the thread ere just my observation on the fight that I just got watching.

 

[FedorFanBoy]

If Werdum wasnt so much cock, cock guy and be cautious in his stand up actions against golden gloves holder (Stipe ) and just wait for good occasion to takedown and submit him he would win this easy. He was just dumb and felt he is best striker on planet and can bang with anyone.

 

[LouisBolanos]

So after all that, this thread really is about sea-level, no-injury Cain in a hypothetical what-if....

Forget sea level. Underwater Cain = once-ever GOAT.

 

[KORMAN]

If Werdum wasnt so much cock, cock guy and be cautious in his stand up actions against golden gloves holder (Stipe ) and just wait for good occasion to takedown and submit him he would win this easy. He was just dumb and felt he is best striker on planet and can bang with anyone.

Eh, it's not that simple. Werdum was getting soundly outstruck from the very beginning. You could feel and see his desparatiom for the TD early on, and Werdum doesn't really roll like that early on. He'll usually stand and feel you out, and wait for you to go for the TD, if he's being the more effective man standing, and if he feels comfortable enough on the feet.

He realized his newfound k-1 level striking wasn't gonna do a damn thing agaisnt Stipe, because Stipe's hands were too quick, accurate, and seaskned for him. He felt that if he kept it standing, sooner or later he was gin a vet caught with something. He really didn't like how Stipe's boxing felt early on.

Also, Stipe's kicks were effective as well. He wasn't fighting an overly aggressive, head huntier that was gonna blow his load, and he knew he was in there with a guy that was gonna pick him apart for all 5 rounds.

I didn't sense any cockyness in there. Just a guy that was desperate to cause havoc and turn the fight ugly, because the measured pace and attack of Stipe was a KO waiting to happen regardless.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Eh, it's not that simple. Werdum was getting soundly outstruck from the very beginning. You could feel and see his desparatiom for the TD early on, and Werdum doesn't really roll like that early on. He'll usually stand and feel you out, and wait for you to go for the TD, if he's being the more effective man standing, and if he feels comfortable enough on the feet.

He realized his newfound k-1 level striking wasn't gonna do a damn thing agaisnt Stipe, because Stipe's hands were too quick, accurate, and seaskned for him. He felt that if he kept it standing, sooner or later he was gin a vet caught with something. He really didn't like how Stipe's boxing felt early on.

Also, Stipe's kicks were effective as well. He wasn't fighting an overly aggressive, head huntier that was gonna blow his load, and he knew he was in there with a guy that was gonna pick him apart for all 5 rounds.

I didn't sense any cockyness in there. Just a guy that was desperate to cause havoc and turn the fight ugly, because the measured pace and attack of Stipe was a KO waiting to happen regardless.

Pretty much. Werdum is an absolute nightmare for wrestleboxers like Cain/Cormier, but he has a clear weakness with elite strikers with solid tdd like JDS and Stipe.
Hes a good (but not great) striker, with world class bjj, and a very good clinch. He's got his weaknesses, but he'll always be around the top of the division

 

[FedorFanBoy]

Eh, it's not that simple. Werdum was getting soundly outstruck from the very beginning. You could feel and see his desparatiom for the TD early on, and Werdum doesn't really roll like that early on. He'll usually stand and feel you out, and wait for you to go for the TD, if he's being the more effective man standing, and if he feels comfortable enough on the feet.

He realized his newfound k-1 level striking wasn't gonna do a damn thing agaisnt Stipe, because Stipe's hands were too quick, accurate, and seaskned for him. He felt that if he kept it standing, sooner or later he was gin a vet caught with something. He really didn't like how Stipe's boxing felt early on.

Also, Stipe's kicks were effective as well. He wasn't fighting an overly aggressive, head huntier that was gonna blow his load, and he knew he was in there with a guy that was gonna pick him apart for all 5 rounds.

I didn't sense any cockyness in there. Just a guy that was desperate to cause havoc and turn the fight ugly, because the measured pace and attack of Stipe was a KO waiting to happen regardless.

I cant agree with you. Fight was something like 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Werdum is veteran, i dont think he lost confidence in his striking after so short time, he banged few times with Overeem even when his stand up was much worse then it is now. I would say the opossite, too much confidence = and this is why he got knocked out. He went recklesly after him and got great counter punch IN DA FACE.

But i respect your opinion. And Werdum had perfect style vs Cain and this is main reason why he won. Cain couldnt takedown werdum and was jabbed to death.

 

[Maximus100]

Werdum just got KTFO'd in the same fashion as Luke this weekend. Too cocky, never underestimate an opponent or get overconfident.

 

[kahymo]

imagine you tell to your friends, the winner will be crowned "the baddest man on the planet"

 

[Namek]

Eh, it's not that simple. Werdum was getting soundly outstruck from the very beginning.

No, he wasn't. He got hit with like one good leg kick and then he got hit flush like 4 seconds before he got KO'd. In fact before that he hit Stipe with a good, clean 1-2 and hit him with like 2 nice leg kicks.

Let's not make more out of this than it is. He got hit, rushed in and got KO'd. We're dealing with HWs here. Overeem had Rothwell wincing in pain after two body kicks, and what happened a few seconds later... he got KO'd. Stipe won the first round with Struve and then got KO'd.

Werdum has fought Sergei, Arlovski, Fedor, Overeem x2, Cain, JDS, Nelson, Browne, Bigfoot etc. He has never shown to be scared of anyone's striking. He had a bum knee in the second Overeem fight and still when standing he went for it.

He went for it, and he paid for it with Stipe. This is HW MMA, all it takes is one punch.