it's generally slower than pc. even if you install a ssd, iirc, they don't really work well with the ps4 and their read/write speeds aren't really utilized.
The reduction in load times is above 45% in some of those tests above for the PS4 Pro. That's simply enormous. That's a relatively weak TLC SSD they used in their testing, too. It's not nearly as strong as the best value TCSunbow X3 1TB available right now for $85 via Amazon:
Finally, after nearly six years since playing any console, I've hooked up my PS4 Pro and now downloading updates to the system and games I've bought.
Some questions that popped in my head -
Is 1TB going to be enough to download updates/patches for 20+ games I plan on playing?
Anyone have any problems with the expandable harddrives
Saw Witcher 3 is on sale on PSN for $15, how does it play on Ps4 Pro as compared to PC? If its all on a harddrive does it load faster compared to having the disc inserted?
What other single-player games only available on PSN do you guys recommend?
How often is it recommended to clean a PS4 Pro, what tutorials on YouTube should I follow step-by-step?
Is the PS4 Pro build-quality better than the Ps3 & XBox360? I ask because I went through three XBox360s and two Ps3s, and now have figured out its because of their build quality and the fact I never cleaned them.
The PS4 runs an operating system known as Orbis OS which is a modification of a free, open-source fork of Linux called FreeBSD. The benefit to this is that the PS4 supports traditional 2.5" hard drives internally (up to 4TB), and also traditional external hard drives (up to 8TB).
There are three classes of performance in a drive, and the main benefit for the fastest class is faster game loads. This is more significant for the initial launch of the game, but this also includes instance loads (a new level, entering a new region or territory, fast travel, etc.), and sometimes also for relaunches of checkpoints after a death. It can add up. Theoretical: SSD > SSHD > HDD
Within the respective SSD & HDD classes there is a large disparity in performance potential depending on the drive, but Digital Foundry (among others) have run general analysis on real-world impact for the PS4. Their analysis concludes the following, and this held true for both internal and external drives: Real World: SSD >> SSHD = 7200 RPM HDD > 5400 RPM HDD
Conclusion: In PCs (and IIRC also the Xbox One) the SSHDs have been a value-performance winner, but with the PS4 they are a waste of money. You want to go with an SSD or a 7200 RPM HDD. For individual games it doesn't matter if this is an external drive. That's as easy as buying one and plugging it in. Unfortunately, almost all external HDD drives run at 5400 RPM, so they won't improve performance. They'll only expand your storage. For the best prices the links below will updated by the day:
If you want to take your upgrade to the next level by reaping an SSD's general snappiness for navigation of the operating system you'll want to replace that internal drive that ships with the unit with an internal SSD. It's not a challenge, but it does require a bit more gear (a USB 3.0 thumb drive, and a PC or laptop to download an update file to that USB thumb drive). HyperX did a nice little tutorial vid. Their first step is to back up your data with your external drive before installing a new internal drive. This isn't necessary, but obviously a very good idea, especially if you want the new SSD to have all of your files exactly as they were via a Restore when you're done. The actual physical installation only requires a screwdriver. However, it also requires a USB thumb drive to install the latest update of the PS4 firmware to your new internal SSD so that the PS4 recognizes it.
Technically, you could use an external USB drive to install this update, but it can't do both; store your backup and provide this update function. It has to be read as an empty boot drive to provide the update. If you already have a USB thumb drive or external drive you can wipe it, and use it for this (stick it into a PC, and just reformat it to FAT32-- that will wipe it). Below is the link to where Sony stores the latest update file (currently 6.72): https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/system-updates/ps4/
Know that not all SSDs are created equal. From the above linked list, below are recommended series categorized into three classes. Each series comes in various sizes; the bigger, the faster. 1TB sizes are the current sweet spot for bang-for-your-buck, right now, but there are exceptions. Lesser SSDs would also certainly be an improvement, like the Samsung 860 QVO that tested well in one of the load time comparison videos, but I'm setting the cutoff starting with these. I don't recommend spending above the Performance class.
If I was buying today, 8/22/2019, my personal choice would be the ADATA SU800 (1TB = $100; 2TB= $210).
Budget
ADATA SU800
ADATA SX850
ADATA SX950U
Crucial MX300
Gigabyte UD Pro
HP S700 Pro
Kingdian S280
Kingston UV500
Micron 1100
Mushkin Reactor
Mushkin Reactor LT
Plextor M8V
Plextor M8VG
PNY CS1311
Seagate Barracuda
TC Sunbow X3
Team Delta RGB
Team L5 Lite 3D
Transcend SSD230S
Transcend SSD430S
Transcend SSD830S
WD Blue 2D
Performance
Crucial MX500
Intel 545s
Lexar NS200
SanDisk Ultra 3D
Team Vulcan
WD Blue 3D
Prosumer
Samsung 860 Pro
You can get more bang-for-your-buck with a 2.5" internal 7200 RPM, but there's an added hassle. Most HDDs are formatted in NTFS when they ship. It isn't technically difficult to reformat them into FAT32 or exFAT (I recommend exFAT), but it does require a PC, and that you first hook up the new drive to that PC. If it isn't a barebones drive, you'll also have to remove the outer plastic shell before seating it in the mounting bracket as you did with the SSD above (requiring the screwdriver again). You'll then need to install the latest update via the USB thumb drive the same as for the SSD above.
ASFAIK people aren't suffering heat issues, but it wouldn't hurt to do some Googling. 7200 RPM drives produce significantly more heat than 5400 RPM drives, and PS4's aren't designed to offer a great deal of cooling. I would strongly advise avoiding 10,000 RPM drives for this reason. They aren't cost effective, anyway, in comparison to the budget SSDs above. Pocket Lint: How to upgrade your PS4 hard drive to 4TB or more (Dec-2018)
Finally, if you do replace the internal drive, you don't have to relinquish it. You could sell that on a used market, but you could also buy this external enclosure I've linked immediately below, slide that drive into it, and use it like one of the external 5400 RPM HDD drives above. I haven't looked into whether there are any stability issues with this method. Generally, consoles don't play nice when you do this stuff. They want to read a SATA HDD as a SATA HDD, not a USB HDD. But...totally might be okay since the PS4 is built on those Linux roots accommodating PC processors running on nearly identical architecture. ($9.80) AmazonBasics 2.5-inches SATA HDD or SSD Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0
the SSDs in a ps4 will only run at a fraction of their capability before being bottlenecked. i didn't say a ssd isn't faster, reading master. i said it's "generally slower than pc" "and their read/write speeds aren't really utilized." - both of which are true.
the SSDs in a ps4 will only run at a fraction of their capability before being bottlenecked. i didn't say a ssd isn't faster, reading master. i said it's "generally slower than pc" "and their read/write speeds aren't really utilized." - both of which are true.
The reduction in load times is above 45% in some of those tests above for the PS4 Pro. That's simply enormous. That's a relatively weak TLC SSD they used in their testing, too. It's not nearly as strong as the best value TCSunbow X3 1TB available right now for $85 via Amazon:
To be fair, he just said it's generally slower than a PC, and that's correct. My computer, which is middle of the road by today's standards (AMD 8350 FX, Geforce 770, 16gb Ram, 500gb SSD) loads Witcher 3 within 5 seconds and plays it smoothly on high 1080p. A PS4 Pro is not capable of that.
additionally, even using a mediocre 7200 rpm external hdd should yield faster speeds than the stock 5400 rpm hdd. if one's going to upgrade/add a drive, it's likely better bang:buck to go with a 7200 rpm external... especially if one wants to put ~20 games on it like OP mentioned.
Obviously you don't know, and that's why you have to ask. So next time keep your trap shut unless you know the answer before you go blabbering your ignorant pontifications.
To be fair, he just said it's generally slower than a PC, and that's correct. My computer, which is middle of the road by today's standards (AMD 8350 FX, Geforce 770, 16gb Ram, 500gb SSD) loads Witcher 3 within 5 seconds and plays it smoothly on high 1080p. A PS4 Pro is not capable of that.
That has nothing to do with "bottlenecking" an SSD. The SSD's read speeds are clearly utilized to a significant degree by the PS4 Pro. The PC version is on an entirely different OS. Nevertheless, the advantages in loads gained is comparable, and here's one such example on PC:
SSD Load = 24 seconds
HDD Load = 34 seconds
That's with the Samsung 860 EVO SSD which is a whopping ~55% faster than the OCZ Trion SSD used in the Digital Foundry PS4 test, and runs much closer to the SATA III limit. Depending on the level or task at hand you'll see larger or smaller differences just as you can observe with the load vs. fast travel tests in the PS4 test. The Witcher 3 is one of the games that tends to benefit the most from SSDs, too, though the monster of monsters in that regard is GTA V. That's where a PC on a modern CPU using-- specifically-- an NVMe SSD would gain a more significant advantage.
Obviously you don't know, and that's why you have to ask. So next time keep your trap shut unless you know the answer before you go blabbering your ignorant pontifications.
That has nothing to do with "bottlenecking" an SSD. The SSD's read speeds are clearly utilized to a significant degree by the PS4 Pro. The PC version is on an entirely different OS
The point is that the software is apples and oranges. Nevertheless, I just cited an example of a comparable load gain advantage, after first establishing the significant gains that clearly utilize the superior read speeds of the SSD in the PS4 Pro to a substantial, easily noticeable degree (and original PS4, for that matter).
I predict another snark without any citation of raw data. Why? Because you don't even possess the faculties required to comprehend what you'll desperately Google.
No, I'm highlighting that you just forwarded an assertion that you clearly don't possess the knowledge to substantiate.
The point is that the software is apples and oranges. Nevertheless, I just cited an example of a comparable load gain advantage, after first establishing the significant gains that clearly utilize the superior read speeds of the SSD in the PS4 Pro to a substantial, easily noticeable degree (and original PS4, for that matter).
I predict another snark without any citation of raw data. Why? Because you don't even possess the faculties required to comprehend what you'll desperately Google.
...says the one with no raw data and who tried to change my argument from "generally slower than pc" "and their read/write speeds aren't really utilized" - to 'it's not faster than the slow 5400 rpm hdd it comes with?'
...says the one with no raw data and who tried to change my argument from "generally slower than pc" "and their read/write speeds aren't really utilized" - to 'it's not faster than the slow 5400 rpm hdd it comes with?'
Finally, after nearly six years since playing any console, I've hooked up my PS4 Pro and now downloading updates to the system and games I've bought.
Some questions that popped in my head -
Is 1TB going to be enough to download updates/patches for 20+ games I plan on playing?
Anyone have any problems with the expandable harddrives
Saw Witcher 3 is on sale on PSN for $15, how does it play on Ps4 Pro as compared to PC? If its all on a harddrive does it load faster compared to having the disc inserted?
What other single-player games only available on PSN do you guys recommend?
How often is it recommended to clean a PS4 Pro, what tutorials on YouTube should I follow step-by-step?
Is the PS4 Pro build-quality better than the Ps3 & XBox360? I ask because I went through three XBox360s and two Ps3s, and now have figured out its because of their build quality and the fact I never cleaned them.
Finally, after nearly six years since playing any console, I've hooked up my PS4 Pro and now downloading updates to the system and games I've bought.
Some questions that popped in my head -
Is 1TB going to be enough to download updates/patches for 20+ games I plan on playing?
Anyone have any problems with the expandable harddrives
Saw Witcher 3 is on sale on PSN for $15, how does it play on Ps4 Pro as compared to PC? If its all on a harddrive does it load faster compared to having the disc inserted?
What other single-player games only available on PSN do you guys recommend?
How often is it recommended to clean a PS4 Pro, what tutorials on YouTube should I follow step-by-step?
Is the PS4 Pro build-quality better than the Ps3 & XBox360? I ask because I went through three XBox360s and two Ps3s, and now have figured out its because of their build quality and the fact I never cleaned them.
1TB for 20 games? No. But do you really play that many simultaneously? I love the Uncharted series but it's not for everyone. Also The Last of Us is great. Not once have I cleaned my PS4 and I've had it for four years, never had any issues with it either unlike my Xboxes of the past.
1TB for 20 games? No. But do you really play that many simultaneously? I love the Uncharted series but it's not for everyone. Also The Last of Us is great. Not once have I cleaned my PS4 and I've had it for four years, never had any issues with it either unlike my Xboxes of the past.
I just popped my PS4 cherry in November with the Death Stranding condole. Been an Xboner this whole time. Finished up Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy so now I’m all caught up with that series. I love that series, such fun characters. Currently playing through The Last of Us Remastered. Catching up on all the exclusives is fun. I see why PS4 won this generation.
I just popped my PS4 cherry in November with the Death Stranding condole. Been an Xboner this whole time. Finished up Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy so now I’m all caught up with that series. I love that series, such fun characters. Currently playing through The Last of Us Remastered. Catching up on all the exclusives is fun. I see why PS4 won this generation.
How did you like Death Stranding? I don't have a lot of time to play games these days unfortunately so I'm very picky about what I play. I usually love Kojima games but Death Stranding had very mixed reviews and I haven't tried it yet.
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