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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Bruce Calavera, Aug 29, 2010.

  1. Bruce Calavera

    Bruce Calavera Purple Belt

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    If no one else will say it I guess I will. Did the Edgar/Penn II fight end the rubber guard debate in MMA? I know he didn't get to really use it but isn't that the point. Nobody out there in MMA world is more flexible that BJ when it comes to the guard and he couldn't pull off the RG. Maybe I'm full fo shit because seeing as that he didn't synch it up we never got to see if it would work but if you can't get past step 1 what makes anyone think step 2,3,and 4 are going to work. I'm really not trying to troll, just tought it was interesting. Flame away...
     
  2. Simonsimon

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    There are no really high percentage attacks from guard without the kimono. So RG being a low percentage move doesn't mean it's a bad move from the guard, we have to compare RG to other ways of attacking from the guard which are all low percentage.
     
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  3. Scooter Brown

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    Aoki?

    BJ and Eddie seem to be buddies, but I've never seen any indication BJ has ever learned anything from him. He never does or even tries to do what the next logical thing to try and do is. I guess he has devised his own algorithm that's different from Eddies, and there's nothing wrong with that except his algorithm seems to suck because he never gets anywhere. Aoki does, though.

    I think BJ just wants to show he's flexible by grabbing his ankle for a while and then he wants to stand up so he can box.
     
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    i am by no means a pro rubber guard guy under general circumstances. however i do think the position has value as a omoplata set up in mma. now, whether or not the omoplata is underused in mma is another discussion. personally i go for lots of omoplatas in nogi, however that is a big part of my game.

    probably not going to see someone who is not a omoplata specialist use it very often. bjs guard game strengths seem to be in maintaining closed/butterfly, recovering closed/butterfly from bad position. bj doesnt seem to look for a lot of submissions off of his back, cant blame him as getting subs off your back in nogi is very hard against a wrestler that knows enough bjj to be aware of when he is in danger.
     
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    It's interesting because whenever I see BJ on the ground all his moves seem very traditional. So when he tried RG it kinda freaked me out. BJ happens to be really good with his traditional BJJ.
     
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    Triangle from guard is pretty high percentage when you have an overhook like BJ had, but he didn't even attempt the triangle.
     
  7. joe90210

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    Aoki subs bums, look what happened to him when he went against melendez
     
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    Maybe it's the athletes and not the style.

    Until someone subs Edgar there is no reason to think any type of guard will work against him.
     
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    You obviously haven't watched a George Sotiropolous fight lately, TS.
     
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    well, only thing george got was a sweep.

    Has there ever been an omoplata sub in the UFC?
     
  11. johnkreese

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    I think there was one in Strikeforce, right?
     
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    yea i think so too, i didn't know why there are no attempts being made?
     
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    The omaplata rg-ish hold he had on Din Tomas was pretty cool, when he was blasting away with his free hand, he just hasn't done anything like that for awhile.

    and when he did get the butterfly hooks he didnt even sit up. I think he was just tired partly, and maybe part of it Frankie was keeping him flat, but he did use it to escape once.

    He doesn't throw up subs off his back much.

    Frankie was just too much for him.
     
  14. Simonsimon

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    I agree, that triangle is high percentage compared to other guard no-gi attacks.
    My point was that it's still a low percentage compared to things like the rear naked choke.
     
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    No. Because the excuse is that BJ doesn't really know how to use it. Which I cannot deny or confirm.

    But I frequent the nibiru forum...and the whitebelts in there are ripping apart BJ's technique....which is hilarious...

    BJ Penn Rubber Guard
     

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