Economy Just How bad is Trump's 2nd Presidency for US Tourism?

Tourists also compete for housing (AirBnB), local goods and services, local infrastructure, etc. If you are going to look at effects of one you have to look at the effects of the other too.

I've heard that places like Disneyland are so full of people that if you want to ride the good rides you can only really ride a few of them a day. I wouldn't know but it seems to be a popular complaint.

Take a look at Portugal's housing costs recently, it's exploded and a large part of it is due to tourism due to investors buying housing inventory to AirBnB.
Wait, what, Portugal? Now you want to argue tourism is bad for the country?

Here is where you guys loose ALL credibility because you will argue, not matter how destructive one of Trump's policies are, that the outcome is better for the country.

All Trump had to do was not act like an asshole and alienate the rest of the world. But he couldn't resist and now it's costing the economy an estimated 12+ billion dollars.

Then you argue we are better off without the 12 billion and simply charging US citizens to pay terrifies (a tax) will offset the money coming into the country. This makes no sense. The fact that you argue this is somehow a win shows me you are not honest with yourself.

You are part of a cult.
 
A lot of Vegas is suffering. From the Vegas groups I follow, a ton of Europeans and Canadians have cancelled their trips. Aside from being a bit worried we're the laughing stock of the world at the moment.
 
FIFA Club World Cup starts this weekend.

I wonder how the current political climate in the US will affect attendance and ticket sales.
- Why theres no american footbal world cup?



Ahh. Totally forgot it's a national pass time that nobody cares. Sorry!<lol>
 
Trudeau didn't take a shit on Americans.
- He cucked Trump on world stage. Like Macron did to Lula recently!

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Wait, what, Portugal? Now you want to argue tourism is bad for the country?

Here is where you guys loose ALL credibility because you will argue, not matter how destructive one of Trump's policies are, that the outcome is better for the country.

All Trump had to do was not act like an asshole and alienate the rest of the world. But he couldn't resist and now it's costing the economy an estimated 12+ billion dollars.

Then you argue we are better off without the 12 billion and simply charging US citizens to pay terrifies (a tax) will offset the money coming into the country. This makes no sense. The fact that you argue this is somehow a win shows me you are not honest with yourself.

You are part of a cult.
Dude, the housing costs in Portugal from 2010 to 2024 have risen 120%.
House prices in Portugal increased by 120% between 2010 and 2024, while rents rose by 45% over the same period, according to Eurostat. These figures are above the average growth in the EU bloc, which was 55.4% for house prices and 26.7% for rents.

They increased by 11.6% in 2024:
In 2024, house prices in Portugal experienced a significant increase, positioning the country among the top three with the highest rises in the European Union (EU). According to Eurostat data, house prices in Portugal increased by 11.6% in the fourth quarter of 2024, compared to the same period in 2023. This growth places Portugal in third position for the largest price hikes, behind Bulgaria (18.3%) and Hungary (13%). The average increase across the EU was 4.9%, while the euro area saw a slightly lower average of 4.2%.

And 6.6% in Q1 of 2025:
During the 1st quarter of 2025, house sales prices in mainland Portugal increased by 6.6% compared to the end of 2024, registering the highest quarterly increase since 2007.

And a large part of this is due to increased demand for housing due to short term rentals.

I hope you're not a loser who complains about high housing costs while at the same time disparaging people for pointing out factors that attribute to high housing costs.
 
Dude, the housing costs in Portugal from 2010 to 2024 have risen 120%.


They increased by 11.6% in 2024:


And 6.6% in Q1 of 2025:


And a large part of this is due to increased demand for housing due to short term rentals.

I hope you're not a loser who complains about high housing costs while at the same time disparaging people for pointing out factors that attribute to high housing costs.
LOL! Nice try pal but I'm not interested in discussing housing costs in Portugal in this thread.

Do you actually believe loosing 12+ billion in tourist revenue and charing US citizens 12+ billion in tariffs are a win?

You are actually trying to spin loosing 12+ billion as a win. That's a farce.
 
LOL! Nice try pal but I'm not interested in discussing housing costs in Portugal in this thread.

Do you actually believe loosing 12+ billion in tourist revenue and charing US citizens 12+ billion in tariffs are a win?

You are actually trying to spin loosing 12+ billion as a win. That's a farce.
*losing
 
LOL! Nice try pal but I'm not interested in discussing housing costs in Portugal in this thread.

Do you actually believe loosing 12+ billion in tourist revenue and charing US citizens 12+ billion in tariffs are a win?

You are actually trying to spin loosing 12+ billion as a win. That's a farce.
I'm not saying it's a win or a loss, my original 'win' point was that having less tourists is personally desirable because they are annoying to deal with in my area. It depends on the place and the people there. If there's less tourism to spots that have over-tourism, then that's definitely a win by the very definition of over-tourism. If it's not, then it's likely bad, but again there are other factors that contribute to whether or not it actually is 'bad' like if your own populace can afford to live. That should come first before anything else. In places like Portugal which have relied on tourism to survive their own populace is being priced out of housing, as I have shown you with multiple statistics. They should instead diversify their economy to be less reliant on tourism so that their own citizens can afford to buy houses. You have yet to comment on them, I'm not sure why you avoid that point.

A quick search for AirBnB in your post history shows that you seemed to have recognized this at some point:
Who knows, maybe prices will drop in some desirable areas like California.
I wonder why, in response to AirBnB's crashing, you thought this could make prices drop? Are you a part of the same cult I am a part of? Because I am saying the same thing that you said 2 years ago.

And again, tariff revenue covered this discrepancy within a few months. You claim that US consumers are paying for these tariffs, yet inflation is the lowest it has been since February of 2021 (coincidentally, the first full month Biden was in office, interesting how that works out) despite multiple months of tariffs being in effect in various capacities.
 
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I'm not saying it's a win or a loss, my original 'win' point was that having less tourists is personally desirable because they are annoying to deal with in my area. It depends on the place and the people there. If there's less tourism to spots that have over-tourism, then that's definitely a win by the very definition of over-tourism. If it's not, then it's likely bad, but again there are other factors that contribute to whether or not it actually is 'bad' like if your own populace can afford to live. That should come first before anything else. In places like Portugal which have relied on tourism to survive their own populace is being priced out of housing, as I have shown you with multiple statistics. They should instead diversify their economy to be less reliant on tourism so that their own citizens can afford to buy houses. You have yet to comment on them, I'm not sure why you avoid that point.

A quick search for AirBnB in your post history shows that you seemed to have recognized this at some point:

I wonder why, in response to AirBnB's crashing, you thought this could make prices drop? Are you a part of the same cult I am a part of? Because I am saying the same thing that you said 2 years ago.

And again, tariff revenue covered this discrepancy within a few months. You claim that US consumers are paying for these tariffs, yet inflation is the lowest it has been since February of 2021 (coincidentally, the first full month Biden was in office, interesting how that works out) despite multiple months of tariffs being in effect in various capacities.
Yes, you did say it was a win. You said losing 12+ billion in tourist dollars was offset by 12+ billion in tariffs. Tariffs are paid by US citizens largely and tourist money comes from ourside the US. It's not a win, it's lose, lose.

You are part of a cult, you that try to spin anything Trump does as positive. Losing 12+ billion dollars in tourism revenue does not make America better nor dies charging Americans 12+ billion in tariffs. Yet you are still at it trying to call this a "win".

I am not gonna argue over Airbnb or what percentage of international tourist dollars go towards these types of rentals.

On the other hand, I am glad you are spending some time going over my post history and boning up on the issues.

If you are really concerned with what Airbnb has done to housing costs then why not advocate for rule changes? Do you actually think it's better to just torpedo the tourist industry to solve the problem? Throw the baby out with the bath water anyone?

You got cult thinking going.
 
Tariffs have already paid for that multiple times over. If that is your case against tariffs you may want to reconsider it. And we don't have to deal with as many tourists? Sounds like a win to me.
You think it’s a good idea to tax the shit out of Americans to keep tourists away? That doesn’t seem like a super solid plan. We should not only keep people from pumping money into our various states’ economies, but diminish the average American’s buying power along the way, and make them get along with less? I feel like maybe you should be reconsidering your position.

And I thought we need needed these massive taxes because of trade deficits, which is meaningless if the party in power is going to pass a budget that adds at least 5 trillion to the debt. What’s the point?
 
Yes, you did say it was a win. You said losing 12+ billion in tourist dollars was offset by 12+ billion in tariffs. Tariffs are paid by US citizens largely and tourist money comes from ourside the US. It's not a win, it's lose, lose.

You are part of a cult, you that try to spin anything Trump does as positive. Losing 12+ billion dollars in tourism revenue does not make America better nor dies charging Americans 12+ billion in tariffs. Yet you are still at it trying to call this a "win".

I am not gonna argue over Airbnb or what percentage of international tourist dollars go towards these types of rentals.

On the other hand, I am glad you are spending some time going over my post history and boning up on the issues.

If you are really concerned with what Airbnb has done to housing costs then why not advocate for rule changes? Do you actually think it's better to just torpedo the tourist industry to solve the problem? Throw the baby out with the bath water anyone?

You got cult thinking going.
How exactly are Americans paying for it when CPI is at it's lowest since Feb. 2021 and tariffs have been in effect to some capacity for over 2 months now?

You also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding on how tariffs work. They aren't always tax on the consumer, this is like a grade 5 level understanding of economics. Companies have to balance whether passing costs onto the consumer will lose them more in the long term than eating the costs themselves. If a company is already running 100% profit margins and tariffs cause them to run 70% profit margins, they are still incentivized to do business in the US, even if they still make less money than before. If however increasing their costs reduces their consumer base by half, then in some cases it would make more sense to either balance the cost increases with the consumers and let it eat into profits, improve efficiency of their company to offset the increases, etc. There are many levers that companies can use to offset the tariff increases.

For example. Mercedes-Benz have announced they will not increase the cost on consumers and absorb the costs and relocate manufacturing to Alabama to avoid the tariffs:
Most immediately, Mercedes-Benz will be absorbing some of the impact of the tariffs to protect the price (MSRP) of its Model Year 2025 vehicles. That means all MY25 vehicles will remain priced as they were before the implementation of the auto tariffs, until further notice.

So not only is there no cost increase, there's also more manufacturing being done in America. I was told this couldn't and wouldn't happen, yet here we are.

A lot of people don't enjoy having lots of tourists in their area. So it's a win if they have less tourists in their area. Maybe you don't talk to people or hear about people's stories.

I spent literally 30 seconds looking up your post history. You can go to the top right, hit search, and then search a term, like "AirBnB" and a member, like "HomeCheese", and get posts that contain that word from that member. It took 16 characters of typing and four mouse clicks. I know that for you that is a lot of research to do, but to convince people like yourself of anything I usually have to show them that they are being hypocritical.

I know you aren't going to argue about AirBnB, it's literally the whole point and you can't argue it since I just showed you agreeing with my point. That's the only way to get to people like yourself, who are actually in a cult.

AirBnB isn't the root issue. If AirBnB gets removed, there will be others that take it's place. It's tourism that's the root issue that causes demand for short term rentals. People who travel to other places need a place to stay. They need short term rentals. When there is too much tourism, like in a place like Portugal, it causes it's own populace to not be able to afford to stay, as people buy short term rentals to accommodate the tourists. And AirBnB isn't the only thing that tourists compete on with the local populace. There's infrastructure, goods and services, traffic, etc.
 
You think it’s a good idea to tax the shit out of Americans to keep tourists away? That doesn’t seem like a super solid plan. We should not only keep people from pumping money into our various states’ economies, but diminish the average American’s buying power along the way, and make them get along with less? I feel like maybe you should be reconsidering your position.

And I thought we need needed these massive taxes because of trade deficits, which is meaningless if the party in power is going to pass a budget that adds at least 5 trillion to the debt. What’s the point?
Do the average minimum wage worker in Portugal, whose housing prices have increased by 120% since 2010, ~12% in 2024 and ~7% in Q1 2025, largely due to low housing stock due to short term rentals from tourism, not being able to afford to live in their own city because rich tourists come in and raise the prices of everything is supportive of tourism?

Or is tourism just always good, no matter what? There's no nuance at all to it?

Also inflation is the lowest it has been since February 2021 (the very first full month Biden was in office), despite 2 months of tariffs.
 
How exactly are Americans paying for it when CPI is at it's lowest since Feb. 2021 and tariffs have been in effect to some capacity for over 2 months now?

You also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding on how tariffs work. They aren't always tax on the consumer, this is like a grade 5 level understanding of economics. Companies have to balance whether passing costs onto the consumer will lose them more in the long term than eating the costs themselves. If a company is already running 100% profit margins and tariffs cause them to run 70% profit margins, they are still incentivized to do business in the US, even if they still make less money than before. If however increasing their costs reduces their consumer base by half, then in some cases it would make more sense to either balance the cost increases with the consumers and let it eat into profits, improve efficiency of their company to offset the increases, etc. There are many levers that companies can use to offset the tariff increases.

For example. Mercedes-Benz have announced they will not increase the cost on consumers and absorb the costs and relocate manufacturing to Alabama to avoid the tariffs:


So not only is there no cost increase, there's also more manufacturing being done in America. I was told this couldn't and wouldn't happen, yet here we are.

A lot of people don't enjoy having lots of tourists in their area. So it's a win if they have less tourists in their area. Maybe you don't talk to people or hear about people's stories.

I spent literally 30 seconds looking up your post history. You can go to the top right, hit search, and then search a term, like "AirBnB" and a member, like "HomeCheese", and get posts that contain that word from that member. It took 16 characters of typing and four mouse clicks. I know that for you that is a lot of research to do, but to convince people like yourself of anything I usually have to show them that they are being hypocritical.

I know you aren't going to argue about AirBnB, it's literally the whole point and you can't argue it since I just showed you agreeing with my point. That's the only way to get to people like yourself, who are actually in a cult.

AirBnB isn't the root issue. If AirBnB gets removed, there will be others that take it's place. It's tourism that's the root issue that causes demand for short term rentals. People who travel to other places need a place to stay. They need short term rentals. When there is too much tourism, like in a place like Portugal, it causes it's own populace to not be able to afford to stay, as people buy short term rentals to accommodate the tourists. And AirBnB isn't the only thing that tourists compete on with the local populace. There's infrastructure, goods and services, traffic, etc.
Lol! Still trying to pretend losing 12+ billion is a good thing? Seriously? You're in a cult dude. I hear getting a kidney removed is a good way to lose weight too.

Yes, I understand there is a search function and I'm glad you are taking advantage of it.
 
Lol! Still trying to pretend losing 12+ billion is a good thing? Seriously? You're in a cult dude. I hear getting a kidney removed is a good way to lose weight too.

Yes, I understand there is a search function and I'm glad you are taking advantage of it.
Yawn, didn't address any of the points because you are a little bitch. Enjoy my ignore list, since it's clear you don't care about having actual discourse and it's a waste of my time talking to you.
 
Yawn, didn't address any of the points because you are a little bitch. Enjoy my ignore list, since it's clear you don't care about having actual discourse and it's a waste of my time talking to you.
You called losing 12+ billion tourist dollars and Americans (largely) paying 12+ billion in tariffs a "win". Though I did not put you on ignore (never done that with anyone) I certainly stopped taking anything you wrote seriously.
 
I think they hit off talking about being married to people who has age to be their parents
- I think Macron and Truddie are genious. They're like Chads in a old-peo´ple house. Usualy world leaders are old and have trophy wifes. So those two smart guys can choose who they want to cuck! Imagine if Manuela Davila is on one of those partys?
 
Do the average minimum wage worker in Portugal, whose housing prices have increased by 120% since 2010, ~12% in 2024 and ~7% in Q1 2025, largely due to low housing stock due to short term rentals from tourism, not being able to afford to live in their own city because rich tourists come in and raise the prices of everything is supportive of tourism?

Or is tourism just always good, no matter what? There's no nuance at all to it?

Also inflation is the lowest it has been since February 2021 (the very first full month Biden was in office), despite 2 months of tariffs.
Portugal is the size of the state of Maine. The US is in no danger whatsoever of running out of housing due to tourism any time in the foreseeable future.
It makes zero sense to sign a bunch of orders that make people afraid to visit the United States, and then try and make up the lost revenue by taxing the hell out of Americans. Besides, I thought Americans needed to have the shit taxed out of us to make up revenue because “trade deficits”—which is not only absurd, but totally pointless.

In 2023, tourism brought in almost 2.5 trillion dollars. Would you really want Americans taxed additionally to the tune of 2-3 trillion dollars per year?! That’s insane.


I saw your post about Mercedes-Benz, so let’s address that too.

Firstly, Mercedes-Benz is only holding back on cost increases for 2025 cars. Many of these were already assembled mid-2024, pre-tariffs. They are widely expected to raise prices for 2026 if Trump’s policies continue.


Secondly, they are an outlier: Ford, Subaru, and Hyundai have all raised prices.

Also what you said here is not true:
So not only is there no cost increase, there's also more manufacturing being done in America. I was told this couldn't and wouldn't happen, yet here we are.
No— we told you that it would take years to bring overseas factories back to the US, and the effects on pricing wouldn’t be desirable to consumers anyway or have the effect that Trump claims.
This isn’t a case of some factory returning to the US, it says right in your source that Mercedes-Benz is leveraging a US factory that they have had in Tuscaloosa, AL since 1997.

This is, from top to bottom, the most ass backwards, absurd economic plan I have ever seen a politician attempt. It’s ludicrous.
 
Derpderp.

"Must not know how tourism works." To the guy who has been to over 20 countries and is currently floating around the Bahamas 6 months a year.

Those people who are so programmed by the media to be angry at America that they don't want to come here? Fuck em. Probably be tempted to burn a car dealership down anyways.

PS - I lived in Europe for a few years. And right now I'm fucking surrounded by Canadians. Pulled one off a reef 3 weeks ago. Gave another 10 gallons of fuel because...derrr planning is hard. And...some guy with a French flag anchored too close to me a couple months ago and swung into my boat. So I'm not really feeling the love for out neighbors and partners today.

Also...at least 6 beers in. So please continue to tell us all about how bad America is, how terrible Trump is, and how much you hate MAGATS. It's lovely.
Meanwhile this douchebag is outside of the country for half the year.
 
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