Economy Just How bad is Trump's 2nd Presidency for US Tourism?

[curryjunkie]

Is it really that hard to believe that a country enacting needless tariffs on its allies, treating immigrants worse than cattle, and flirting dangerously with authoritarianism might just be a place people don't want to go to?

Europeans have plenty of money. They just don't want to spend it in the U.S.

Don't mind him, he's just retarded..

 

[Damien Karras]

Don't mind him, he's just retarded..

He thinks Europeans have no choice other than the U.S as vacation destinations. Imagine being that self-centered.

 

[AmonTobin]

 

[BlankaPresident]

FIFA Club World Cup starts this weekend.

I wonder how the current political climate in the US will affect attendance and ticket sales.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I usually spend at least 2 weeks in the US every year. My wife and I were planning a big trip to Yellowstone and other national parks next year. It all went to shit because of Trump.

Myrtle Beach is hurting because many Canadians cancelled their vacations there. Same with Maine. Same with many other states. It's a shame because it didn't have to happen. Trump, like many of his voters, is an insecure twat. He could have negotiated in good faith, but he's too dumb for that.

from a Business Insider article:
"According to Statistics Canada data released Monday, the number of Canadians driving to the US fell 23% in February compared with the same month last year, marking the second consecutive monthly decline and the second decline observed since March 2021.

Leisure bookings are also taking a hit. Flight Centre Travel Group, a major travel agency in Canada, told Business Insider it saw a 40% decrease in leisure bookings to the US in February year over year."



Swing and a miss. That doesn't even make sense.

My airbnbs stay full.
How did Trump ruin your trip to Yellowstone?

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

I didn't read all/any of those articles... Honest question, is this all about international tourism?

 

[ermac88]

Tourism should be the least of US worries under current admin.

This is a thread closer right here

 

[koquerelle]

My airbnbs stay full.
How did Trump ruin your trip to Yellowstone?

1- My airbnbs stay full.: Anecdotal, wouldn't you say?

2- How did Trump ruin your trip to Yellowstone?: I don't want to spend a penny in a country with a President that is hostile to me. The "51th State" bs rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

1- My airbnbs stay full.: Anecdotal, wouldn't you say?

2- How did Trump ruin your trip to Yellowstone?: I don't want to spend a penny in a country with a President that is hostile to me. The "51th State" bs rubbed me the wrong way.

1. You can Google airbnbs across America. 70% occupancy on the good ones in good areas. Business is good. I belong to stvr groups and it is a good summer. Maybe the hotel industry is taking a hit, not sure.

2. I would go to neat places in Canada, like Tobermory. I wouldn't let things like Trudeau being a huge douchebag bother me or wreck my trip.

 

[koquerelle]

1. You can Google airbnbs across America. 70% occupancy on the good ones in good areas. Business is good. I belong to stvr groups and it is a good summer. Maybe the hotel industry is taking a hit, not sure.

2. I would go to neat places in Canada, like Tobermory. I wouldn't let things like Trudeau being a huge douchebag bother me or wreck my trip.

Trudeau didn't take a shit on Americans.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Trudeau didn't take a shit on Americans.

Fair point.

 

[koquerelle]

Fair point.

I'm glad you understand.

 

[BoomStronk]

Europe has immense cultural history where architecture and artwork are concerned (plus The Alps). America is unparalleled in terms of natural features, ecosystems, landscapes, and the sheer variety of them -- it's also fucking huge. I mean, beauty in the eye of beholder and all that but the things I just rattled off in that post are facts and not even up for subjective debate. People have no idea what is here or how special it actually is, including most Americans.

Bro. You're my favourite one-issue poster.

As a Canadian who hosts an above average love for the outdoors and has made liberal(not like that. Relax, everyone, put down your guns) use of the provincial and national parks, i appreciate your passion for this.

Having said that, even without the embarrassing/dangerous administration in power there, it's not like America is the best place on earth. There are some superlative and incomparable places in the US, like the grand canyon, Hawaii, Alaska, but these are literally scattered across an entire continent. It would tske yhousands of sollars to fly between, or weeks (abd thousands of dollars) to drive. To make a fair comparisson tou'd need to compare the US to the entirety of Europe (not including Russia), and that only gets you about halfway there. You could add in northern Africa and the middle east. I asked chat gpt. Here's a list of countries selected for their ecotourism attractiveness that equals the size of the united states:

France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Ireland

North Africa:
Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt

Middle East:
Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Iran, Israel

This area is far, fsr more developed than the us, so there is muchbless wilderness camping and real untouched nature, but on the other side of the coin it's all way easier to access, safe and culturally deep. There's no way to quantify this, but ill just say you can drive across Belgium in a half day and encounter richer, more interesting culture than can be found in the entire United States.

 

[Seano]

I had a gig in Bar Harbor over memorial day weekend. Seemed about the same as last year to me. Saw lots of Indians and Asians. I'll be there again this weekend, will be interesting to see if iits the ghost town people predicted it would be a month ago.

 

[William Huggins]

I'm booking my flight, it's now my number one destination.......

 

[Deorum]

Bro. You're my favourite one-issue poster.

As a Canadian who hosts an above average love for the outdoors and has made liberal(not like that. Relax, everyone, put down your guns) use of the provincial and national parks, i appreciate your passion for this.

Having said that, even without the embarrassing/dangerous administration in power there, it's not like America is the best place on earth. There are some superlative and incomparable places in the US, like the grand canyon, Hawaii, Alaska, but these are literally scattered across an entire continent. It would tske yhousands of sollars to fly between, or weeks (abd thousands of dollars) to drive. To make a fair comparisson tou'd need to compare the US to the entirety of Europe (not including Russia), and that only gets you about halfway there. You could add in northern Africa and the middle east. I asked chat gpt. Here's a list of countries selected for their ecotourism attractiveness that equals the size of the united states:

France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Ireland

North Africa:
Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt

Middle East:
Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Iran, Israel

This area is far, fsr more developed than the us, so there is muchbless wilderness camping and real untouched nature, but on the other side of the coin it's all way easier to access, safe and culturally deep. There's no way to quantify this, but ill just say you can drive across Belgium in a half day and encounter richer, more interesting culture than can be found in the entire United States.

I'd say I'm no less passionate about the greatest creative achievements of man as I am the wonders of mother nature tbh, particularly when it comes to the fine arts of sculpture, painting, and architecture. I admire authentic beauty, goodness, and truth. They are present in both, and I also tend to discuss things in cycles. For the last month-plus, it's been almost nothing but art (along with religion and how they've been historically interwoven). The cultural richness of the 120-acre Vatican blows the US out of the water. Likewise, one could hop off the train in Florence and explore the historic centre entirely on foot with the Duomo, Accademia, Palazzo Vecchio, Uffizi Gallery, and Basilica of Santa Croce all within walking distance. There's no need to drive any damn place, and that's magnificent.

 

[Scheme]

Tariffs have already paid for that multiple times over. If that is your case against tariffs you may want to reconsider it. And we don't have to deal with as many tourists? Sounds like a win to me.

 

[Scheme]

Tourism isn't the panacea that people think it is. I think it's better for smaller economies, where the increase costs in housing, good and services and infrastructure costs that are generally endemic in areas with high tourism are offset by the revenue from tourism. But I know places like Portugal and Spain are experiencing insanely high increases in cost of living increases due to tourism.

Basically when people complain about what AirBnB does to their local housing market and area, they are usually complaining about tourism.

 

[HomeCheese]

Tariffs have already paid for that multiple times over. If that is your case against tariffs you may want to reconsider it. And we don't have to deal with as many tourists? Sounds like a win to me.

But tariffs are paid by US citizens and tourism money comes from outside the country.

How the fuck is loosing 12+ billion in tourism a win? There are around 12 million people in the US that work in the tourism industry.

 

[Scheme]

But tariffs are paid by US citizens and tourism money comes from outside the country.

How the fuck is loosing 12+ billion in tourism a win? There are around 12 million people in the US that work in the tourism industry.

Tourists also compete for housing (AirBnB), local goods and services, local infrastructure, etc. If you are going to look at effects of one you have to look at the effects of the other too.

I've heard that places like Disneyland are so full of people that if you want to ride the good rides you can only really ride a few of them a day. I wouldn't know but it seems to be a popular complaint.

Take a look at Portugal's housing costs recently, it's exploded and a large part of it is due to tourism due to investors buying housing inventory to AirBnB.

It's also a very fragile industry. Generally when people tighten their pockets they will first cancel their vacations. And with things like COVID-19 lockdowns we saw the industry essentially outright banned in a lot of places.